The mission of Catahoula Rescue, also known as Houlas & Heelers is to advocate for homeless Catahoula Leopard Dogs, Australian Cattle Dogs, and mixes, to place these animals in permanent, loving homes, and to promote responsible guardianship through humane education. In January 2018, this amazing rescue was awarded the P.L.A.Y January 2018 Warm Bellies Product Grant.
Welcome to the ARPA Animal Rescue of the week podcast, featuring outstanding organizations around the country that are helping animals & the people who rescue them. This podcast is proudly sponsored by Doobert.com. Doobert is a free website designed to connect volunteers with rescues & shelters, and the only site that automates rescue relay transport. Let’s meet this week’s featured animal rescue. The Catahoula Rescue is a breed specific rescue that works with New England shelters and dog owners to bring breed awareness to their community and work on behavioral challenges in placement. No other relationships with others around them is an important piece to their work, and without them they wouldn’t be able to save the dogs they dio. Like many other organizations, they’re doing everything they can to save them all. But because of overpopulation and backyard breeders, it’s hard to keep up He Shannon, Welcome to the show. Thank you for having may. Yeah, of course. I’m really excited that you were able to join me today. Why don’t you actually tell us where you’re from and where you guys are located? Well, I am originally from Massachusetts, but we now live in Maine and the rescue is located in Warren, Maine, which is right on the coast, right up near Rockland in Camden. And so you are Catahoula Rescue. Why Catahoula breed? What made you go that direction and tell us a little bit more about your rescue? Well, it’s funny because I grew up with animals. My dad was very I always made fun and thought of him as Grizzly Adams. He he would save animals that were on the road that were hurt. He come home with snakes and possums, Lloyd, he came home was with whatever you could think of. And, you know, you never stuck to hand in a box about looking And he was, you know, always rehabbing and trying to save every critter he founds. And I grew up with rabbits and dogs and cats, and I’m Ally got cat lady jeans and was very much into cats. And when I got together with my my boyfriend, he very much wanted a dog. Okay, end. I love dogs. I just had never lived somewhere where I could have one and we had just bought a house and we got this very nice Poppy. Her name was Zoe, and everybody had an opinion as to what she wass. And she was just this really cute little black dog. Um, And she looked like a black retriever, okay? And she started acting like the cats climbing on the back of the couch. She was just taking on the cap mentality. So I’m like she needs a friend. Oh, and so it begins. Right now it begins, right? And this was right after Katrina. Unfortunately, Hurricane Katrina and the transports that happens where the animals that were unclaimed were being transported throughout the United States. End our local shelter, the Pope Knox County Humane Society had brought up transport of dogs and I happen to go on, look at the dogs. And it wasn’t because they were Katrina dogs. I just happened to go. And then I found out that they were Katrina dogs, which, you know, meant even more to looking. And there was a really nice looking dog there that was kind of I wont lie. There will be but nice. Sure. And he was young and he wasn’t your typical Catahoula. He was a patchwork. Usually when people see Catahoula dogs, I think they’re all leopards, and this fellow was a patch. He was black and white, and he was friendly. And don’t be. And just kind of doing his own thing playing and being a good, good time guy. And I wasn’t sure because I was alone. So, you know, we went back another time. When he was gone, he was adopted, which was great. Yeah, that’s good. So, you know, we kept looking. We went back again and magically, he was packed. Oh, you know, we weren’t sure. We wanted to have, you know, the two of them, e we went back again, and he was adopted again. Well, this went on a few times. Um, his name was Pancho and Pancho was adopted nine times. Oh, and came back nine times. And finally, I said, What’s wrong with this dog is Ian Lemon? Yeah, I’m like And what is a Catahoula? Yeah, we didn’t know what cattle hallways were up here at this time because they were not a normal breed in this area. So in the meantime, I had done my research on the breed, so I became aware because they couldn’t share with me. What a Catahoula wass. Okay, um And they just said, you know, we don’t know you. You know that he just keeps coming back. Basically long story short. People like to have a cookie cutter dogs. They like dogs that are easy and peasy and don’t need a lot of work. Pancho needed work. One. I decided to bring plunge a home for his slumber party. It took me over 1/2 an hour to get this puppy into the car. He was scared to death of a vehicle. He was scared to death to go through a door. If it was dark on the other side, he was scared of every appliance. He was scared if his ball was touching the wall. Go on, get it. This dog had been through a lot of trauma from whatever happened to him down south because of Katrina and because of the transports. Because some of those transports were not kind. You know, they did what they did to save the dogs, but it was tough on it took six months. The house break punch. Well, he just had a lot of trauma, and it took years for him to ride in the car and not group the seating so much study toward her. He’s turned out to be our spokes dog and the dog that shaped our rescue because I was saving him and sticking with him and working through the issues that he had, we began. We were able to understand the breed and understand some of the quartz and actually got us into rescuing and working with the National Catahoula Group. And we began to foster with them and learn about other dogs that needed it, because we figured that he would be the on ly Katrina dove that came up to New England. There would be others that needed help and we wanted to help. Yeah, it’s pretty fascinating story, right? I feel like you’re pretty. You fall into the same bucket has a lot of people, right? It just takes one animal to be hooked, and the rest is history, Right? But absolutely. Your story and the Katrina timing of it, right? Just makes that you know, a little bit more special. I myself, I mean, up until recently, I’ve never really heard of a Catahoula breed, right? So, in your opinion, what makes them so special? What was the draw besides adopting Poncho that made you want to focus on them. The bridge is Tomie is so special because hey, I kind of joke that they have and I hate to be anthropomorphic, but they have a lot of human like tendencies where their personalities, they kind of look at a situation and they observe it. And then they know what the gig is. They know where things are. They will act on certain things and they’ll figure out, you know? Well, I know that’s where the cookies are, So I lit on that I’ve seen Catahoula is open doors. I’ve seen Catahoula Tze, you know, figure out problems because especially with exercise, you can’tjust exercise them. You have to mentally work with them as well, because if you don’t, they find ways to stimulate their brain. And it’s usually at the deficit of something you really like in the shower there almost too smart for their own good. Yeah, so they’re just incredibly smart dogs. And as an owner, they make you a better owner and trainer because they catch on to things so quick that they’re challenging you. Tow, learn Mohr to keep up with them, sir. So that’s always fascinating and the fact that they know when something’s going on or they khun kind of predict what you’re asking. I know it sounds kind of cheesy, but you have to kind of see it. And it just to me. I find that amazing in the fact that the way they clicked with their owners, all dogs click with their owners. Right? But a Catahoula is very tightly bonded with their family. Okay? They picked their family. They will go through anything to protect that family and that love. And that dedication is amazing. Yeah, you know, you have to really give him props for that. Um, they they are family member. And that’s why when you see them in shelters, they deteriorate so quickly because they grieve and they grieve hard. And it’s really, really upsetting because you know that they don’t understand what happened, Marie, that where the family is, they don’t understand what they did wrong, and they won’t get what they’re saying so And even when they pulled the adjustment that they’re going through with a whole new family and people they don’t know, they’re suspicious. Sure, what’s it? It’s not something they understand, right? So it’s like being uprooted, and it’s really 10 times harder because but they’re so out of place. It’s just they’re just super smart dogs that really are so oriented towards their their families. Yeah, they definitely sound like a special breed. And I I kept thinking, you know, when you said you had to challenge them and they have to be stimulated, I kept thinking of like, a malamute, right? Or a husky. It’s along that same. It’s not just that they need the care and the love right there. Not that cuddle bug they need. They need action. They need exercise, they need to be mentally stimulated. And it takes the right family. It takes the right owner toe work with a breed like that. So I write the research that you’ve done. I love that you chose this breed on DH that Pancho was the inspiration behind that. I want to talk a little bit about the programs that you guys have within Catahoula Rescue. And so obviously of a foster program. So I don’t we Why don’t we talk a little bit about that first and you kind of give us ah, picture of what That looks like, Well, we decided early on, based on what we saw with these dogs in kennels and shelters, that they just didn’t thrive in that environment. There’s something about the kennels that really it shuts down their mental stability, and they just the deteriorate very quickly. That’s why in a shelter environment, they don’t get adopted. Um, and you know, some do. I will sure fix that. Some do. Many do not, and they sometimes appear aggressive. And there’s a high rate of euthanasia because of that. Okay, And it’s not because that they are aggressive. It’s because they’re going kennel craze because they can’t deal with that environment. There’s too much going on. That’s not the right type of going on from that. Sure, so they’re acting out the best way that they know how. And if you walk through that, it’s not the type of dog you wantto adopt so they get passed by right? So what we do is we are strictly foster based. All of our dogs goingto foster homes and we have foster homes pretty much up and down the East Coast. We work predominantly this side of the Mississippi. Um, we’ve also even had foster homes in Canada. You know, really, But we have, um and this is very successful because the dogs go in Well, look what we learn, their pros and cons. We do not adopt dogs out immediately. Stake in it at least a minimum of two weeks in their foster home. We want them to decompress. We want them to relax. We want to know what their personality is. We want to know who they’re good with and who they’re not. That way we know where they’re going to succeed in where they’re not. We’re not going to set them up to fail. We want them to have the most successful future that they can. And the Fosters know that if their dog may be adopted within two weeks, their dog may be adopted in two years. Sure, you know, it may take a while, and we don’t adopt to the first person that applies. We adopt, too. The best African based on the dog’s personality. Sure. So how how many foster homes do you currently have in your in your program? Currently we have about 12 minimum. We’ve had six most. We’ve had about 25 who could always change is sure everybody’s life changes. Yeah, of course, of course. And so of those you know, 6 to 25 foster homes. Do they like if you have a inactive foster home, do you pretty much have a gn animal with them? Or how do you How do you pair up the animals to the foster home? How do people if people are interested in there listening? How did they get in touch with you to become a foster, a foster family? Basically, we just ask people to reach out Tio myself. We share the application with the Foster and the potential Foster, I should say. And after we get the information from the individual, what we do is we do a phone interview where I like to chat with you. I like to, you know, learn about you and your whole who lives with you, your animals if you have animals and this is the same thing I’ve done with all of our foster’s, would you check references? We do. Check with your vet, too, to make sure that you know you’re on the up and up with your Yuri animals. If you’ve kept up with vaccinations and protocols. And if you rent, we do make sure that you’re able to have animals, and we just make sure that you’re fine with the guidelines that we have, which are nothing that is crazy. But just that you’re okay with rules and regs and really was fostering its opening your home to any animal feeding the animal, given it love and making sure that you’re going to stick with that animal until it’s adopted. Turn again. I can’t tell you how long that’s going to be. Um, so you have to understand that as well. Met Mary care as a rescue. We provide that. So you don’t have to worry about, you know, taking care of the bill for that. That’s something as a rescue we take care of. Okay, So that expense, I know is something that a lot of people worry about. That’s our expense. Okay. And so you ways cover the medical, and then the vet on DH, they take care of the food and the toys and and all of that. Is that how I understand it? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. And some of our fosters, you know, even though we have, you know, fosters that aren’t foster. All right now, that’s because of life decisions. Sure. Sometimes people have a period of time when they have something that’s come up in the camp Foster for, you know, x number of months. We take that into consideration. We understand that we don’t expect you to foster every month of every year. You know, things happen. Yeah, And when we have a dark that comes up that’s in need, we reach out to you and say, Hey, are you available? I’ll take this dog. Okay? And that’s why the interview process is important as well, Because we have to know who’s going to succeed with you. Because if you have five cats and we have a dog that has a little bit of prey drive, that’s not going to be the dog I’m going to send you. Sure, right. Most questions are a little important. I would like to ask. Yeah, and I do think it’s important to keep those relationships open, right? I mean, look What? Yeah, you almost You know, we talked a little bit about compassion, fatigue right before we are are we started recording, and that goes to not only the founders of organizations but volunteers and a big part of foster families. It takes the toll on people. And so you have to give them the opportunity, Teo, to kind of back down when they need it. If you burn out all your foster homes, then what do you d’oh! Right. You mean as much as they’re helping you, You you need to help them as well. So I think that’s a great A great piece of this is that you’re having conversations. You get to know them. You’re asking them, right? If they can participate, you’re sharing with them. The dog that that you think would be a good fit for them again. It’s a it’s a given take. So I think that that’s Ah key piece in a in a foster home program and you know that does come up. That’s one of the questions that we ask. We ask the applicant how they would handle giving up their foster if they think that they can handle doing that because, you know, when they welcome, you know, an animal into their home. It’s like giving up a child to most yeah, if they can do that. We also asked the references if they think that their friends or their relative you know, whoever it is, if they would be able to handle it. So we kind of do that that before work, to see if that’s something that they, you know really in their heart and handle it. The other thing, though that is different that we dio and some rescues do not do this, and it’s kind of, you know, 50 50 some shelter. Some rescues won’t do it because if your foster of jobs their foster sure or half, then you lose that that person to help you. Okay, so they will not allow their foster to be able to adopt the animal that they’re taking care of, which makes it even harder because they fall head over heels in love with their animal. Then you know that makes it 10 times is hard. I would rather adopt one of our dogs that’s in need of a forever home to the foster and risk losing that person knowing that that person has that the animal has a forever home and is truly loved with all its heart. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yes. So I allow our foster’s to adopt. Yeah, it’s interesting that you say that I don’t know that that’s necessarily different, but I think people usually have a stance on it one way or the other right there. They’re either like, yes, well, we’ll let you adopt. Or absolutely not. You know, we need more Foster’s right than adopters. And so it is a little bit of a risk, right when you have a foster fail, often times that family isn’t willing or able to take another dog. So there’s a little bit of of Wayne that has to go into that decision. But I think what I like across the country with the rescue specifically that I talk with is that they get to decide based on their community based on their knee. It’s based on the how many animals they take in. And I just really like that Each organization has that option just based on really their community and their their people. Right and again, I feel like for you guys you’re in This is Northeast section right of the United States, and I know that you know, you guys often have more adopters than than dogs and cats that need placement, and that’s always an interesting It’s still interesting to me. The dilemma there because, you know, in the Southern States and, you know, in the Midwest it’s still a problem having more dogs than people. So you guys are in a in a very unique region. And, you know, I think that Sue’s how organizations, you know operate. Yeah, it is. And one of the things and I will say this year is definitely, ah, different than other years. Finding fosters is always difficult. I wont lie there. It’s always difficult, but we do have, you know, a flow of Foster’s, sir. This year there’s no flow, and we’re not the only rescue that’s affected by it right now. You know, across the board, a lot of different groups have talked to seemed to be having the same kind of issues. I don’t know what it is that’s doing it, but it seems to be the thing. And so that’s an issue that if it continues, we may have to change what we do and how we do it. Sure to be able to help, Yeah, because I had quite a waiting list of dogs that kind of need placement. But I know where to place him. Right Is of their needs in the fact that I don’t have a place to put him. Yeah, so that is definitely interesting. Especially a pin up in that northeast region, because that’s that’s one that I haven’t heard recently. But I can see how that’s a challenge. For sure s o, I was going to ask, but you answered the question, right? Why is that? But clearly, you know, in you talking to other rescues and other organizations, you know, several of you are kind of experiencing this drought, right of volunteers. And so it’s interesting that that that’s something that is just recently developed definitely makes me curious as toe what changed or why that might be so I guess I would make the plea on your behalf, right? If you’re in the in Maine or in that area near Warren, you know, you reach out, right? If you can foster it. Sounds like there’s definitely some organizations including yours that definitely could use the use. The help? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So she and and I I want to talk about or ask the question. Do you have any other programs within your organization that maybe you want people to know about. We dio work with other groups to do fundraising when there are exposed. Or, you know, especially in the summertime. There’s a lot of general dog events like down in Portland. There is pet rock that’s held in August. We generally go down there so events like that we tend to go, too, if it works with the schedule. The other thing that we do that is consistent, and we’ve been doing it so long that I can’t remember how many and he was doing it now. But I joke and say that I have, like a little following like a little clan is. I do nail trim clinics and I do them in this area in the mid coast area, and I do dogs, cats, rodent’s. I’ll do reptiles point something. The only thing I’ll do is birds. They’re kind of scared me a little bit. Okay, so I guess you know you have to draw the line somewhere. Sure, Absolutely, absolutely. So in that raises funds for our medical, our medical fund, basically. So when a dog needs, you know, vaccinations are if it needs surgery or something like that. We have funds in that that area. I mean, that’s definitely an interesting piece, right? I think one of the things I’ve learned in talking to rescues is that, you know, a penny really needs to be stretched as far as you can possibly stretch it. And the nail trimming clinics, I think, is an interesting wade, you know, to do that. And I think you’re providing a needed service as well vs. Just asking people to donate right, which is what many many rescues do is donate, donate, donate. And I think what’s cool about you is you’re basically saying I’ll provide you this service on DH for maybe $5 more than you would typically pay right. That’s kind of like the donation, and I think that’s a pretty cool way to go about this. Yeah, very cool. If you know it is a good service to offer, especially in your community, if you can handle it and not do harm if you know how to how to trim nails, do what safely and you have a report with the people and what the animals. It’s a great fundraiser and has a great way to help the animals. Nail trimming is not for everyone, because I will tell you some of the animals that come to me not had their nails trimmed in a long time. Yeah, it’s kind of sad. It is very sad, and you have to do it very carefully handling an animal that may not have been handled in a long time, right? So they have issues and you’re also working with an owner that doesn’t know what’s going on, and you have to teach them and talk to them about what their animal needs. And I do have that tech training as well. So, um, I just encourage anybody that’s thinking about doing this for a fundraiser, not to just go with it and say, like, sure, services have a little bit of training behind you to do it because if you quick, um, it’s not all good, Yeah, I mean, that’s a That’s a good It’s a good reminder, right? I think it’s a great fundraising. I think it works for you. I think your background and being a vet tech and all those things play into that. You’re right, it’s not for everybody, but I think It’s one of the things that make you guys a little bit different and unique and in how you’re going about the fundraising side of this. So that is a great leader. Because what I what I want to know next is about your community, right? It sounds like you’re bringing these animals in from other states or other organizations. And so I want to know, you know what the community is like around you guys on DH how they are reacting. Teo, you know this this breed the Catahoula breed. Well, originally, I was in the 1st 1 to bring it in. Okay, I’m so in my community proper here. So, you know, we weren’t the 1st 1 so we do a lot of education, you know, we do bring dogs in of the dogs that come to me. Here are generally the dogs that have behavioral problems. Because out of our group, I have more knowledge with the dogs that have issues, um, and have disconnects and need a little bit more work of an assessment. So those are the dogs that come and work with me. So I do a lot of outreach with owners in the area that have dogs that have gotten them from other shelters. Okay, because a lot of the shelters will bring them up from the south, will miss, represent them and put on other breed labels because most people don’t know what a cad a whole is. Sure, never heard of a Catahoula right at a very nice little old lady once tell me that a Catahoula sounded like mixed drink. So you know, it’s not something that people are used to hear him up here. So, unfortunately, some of the smaller shelters give them lab trials or Australian Shepherd titles or what have you? But they bring him up because it pretty and they get adopted out very quickly. And then once they get to a certain age, it’s like a switch goes off and they turn into a different dog. And people are like, Holy moly, What has happened? Yeah, So people reach out to us, and I do a lot of behavioral assessments and training help in the home coming in, and I helped them that way. The dog does not enter back into the shelter, and they learn how to work with their animal and how to keep things peaceful. So that’s what I do up here Mostly, um, And then we do adopt dogs out of here. The ones that come to me as well. Okay. Yeah. As you were talking about that, I was looking at your website, and you actually have a resource. Is tab on your site, and there is definitely some great information out there. I love that you have broken it out by, you know, breed and training on gyu is even have ah, pet food finder. Yes, a section in there. So you guys definitely have a lot of information. And so if anybody is curious about, you know, the kettle a breed, we definitely want to encourage them to check out your website, which let me see if I get this right. It’s n e hula rescue dot com. So it’s n e h o u l a rescue dot com. Um, yeah. So I really love that. You know, all the resource is you have and you guys even have ah, pet friendly apartment section. And so I just that that’s a really a really cool piece of that. And I like that you’re focused on, you know, that the ones that you know maybe need a little bit extra attention on. I think that’s really special. We’re very much about working together. Um, I work with shelters. I worked with other rescue groups that we have a good report with a lot of people. And rescue really is about working together. It is that I’m very much about that because you’re not just an isolated entity to get things done. You really do have to work together. Yeah, I definitely I I wholeheartedly agree with that. One of the challenges that I often see him talking to rescues and shelters is the lack of partnership. And I just I’m I’m amazed by that. We’re in this together, right? We can’t solve this as individual organizations. We really need to learn to start working together and to feed off of each other and learn from the mistakes of others. And so I really love that. That’s something that you guys take pride in, you know, with your with your rescue. In speaking about that as a rescue. Obviously you don’t have a vet on staff, right? So do you guys know partner, or who do you work with? you. I do a lot with our local that which is Camden Hospital for animals. Okay, Our primary that is Doctor Deon Dahling. But we also work with the owner and that of record their Stacy Contac ous. But we do also because our fosters are scattered through, you know, out the eastern US. We also have vets in different pockets that we work with a CZ. Well, so depending on where the Fost Esther is located, we’ll set up relations with different bats. And, you know, we have good luck. We have bad luck. I won’t lie there. Some vets are more conducive to working with rescue than others. So you know, it is what it isthe. Yeah, Unfortunately, some have had bad experiences and a couple bad experiences. Make it, you know, make a bad situation for everybody. So you can put that. Yeah. It’s definitely an important piece of that. With rescue specifically, the vet is ah is a strong relationship. You need to have a strong relationship with a with a vet. And so I for me what’s really interesting about what you just said is that you just not only work with, you know, the ones that are closest to you and Warren. But you’re also all about, you know, reaching out to others. You know who maybe are a little further away to accommodate, you know, the foster families there helping you guys. And I think that’s a really unique piece. So, you know, again, I just love everything that that you stand for in thank you. You know, you’re you’re really taking the time and giving the attention to the animal and the people you know who are who are there to help. So that’s a really special thing. I do want to mention that this past year I had an unfortunate that happen in this really amazed me at how kind and caring are rescue community is I? I couldn’t believe it because a lot of what we do is you don’t see people’s faces. You know, there’s a lot of communication. Be email via Facebook and you get to know people over the years without saying, um, you know, you have a relationship, you know, it’s like you know, you the people of family and the rescues, their family and the group’s heir family. But, you know, you know people by face and stuff. Well, there. This past year, I became very sick. Uh, I had a brain tumor that was diagnosed, and I had to have the brain tumor removed. And it was cancerous, okay? And I had to go through 33 days of radiation, um, down in Boston so I to stay down in Boston. And of course, you know, your car breaks down and you have issues, and nothing’s ever easy. No, I went a lot medically with being sick, and I’ve bounced back very nicely. Um, and I did have help running the rescue while I was gone. My second in command, Heather Taylor York, took the reins and kept things going for me and did a fabulous job. But the rescue community pulled together and set up a fund for May to help me. What? Some of the expenditures that I had and just really, really did amazing things. And I I can’t think everybody enough because I didn’t know people cared. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Or just the comments and the kindness. You didn’t know what sounds you know, over the top. But, you know, it’s just the way the community came together for May just really gave me validation as a person for what I do and who I am. And I just wanted to share that, because sometimes you feel like you’re the on ly person out there doing anything yet, but it does matter. And ah, you know, the group does really care. Yeah, I the time. You know, that was incredible, because one of my favorite parts, you know, in this entire conversation is memorable Stories on DH. You know, people think that it that it has to be about an animal, right? And it doesn’t have to be about an animal and a I’m so touched that you shared that story. And, you know, that’s not an easy story to share. And that you opened yourself up to that with me, right? We had just met an hour ago, you know? And now you’re you’re sharing with the world, and you’re right in that. You do think you’re you get in these mindsets right throughout your time. An animal rescue where you feel alone. I think for me, the the really emotional touching piece about that is that it didn’t take you to prompt somebody to do something about it. It just took one or two or three other people to say We’re doing this together, right? And we can’t do it alone. And what can we do to help on? There’s just something really special about that. It really speaks to me, and I hope it speaks to others in that we do need thio work together and become a team and care for each other so we can care for the animals without you and without Heather and without your entire supporters in your you know, the group there. There is no life saving opportunities for the animals. I just That was a beautiful story again. Thank you for sharing that and again, a big shut out, Tio. You know, everybody that’s around you and what they’ve been able to do, and you know how you keep them together. I think there’s just something really special about that. You know, I can say thank Yu so many times, but it just never seems to be enough. You know, they just all went above and beyond and did so much all of them. And, you know, I can start listing names, but I know it gets somebody. There’s just so too many names to less. Yes, just everybody that did something, you know? Yeah, the thoughts, everything. It was just It was huge. It was, and I just I was amazed. Yeah, Yeah. I actually don’t even know how to top that. Right. And I’m sitting here and I’m like, Where do I Where do I go? You know, with that beautiful story. And so, you know, I guess with that I just want to say that, you know, we’ve We’ve talked a little bit, you know, about a few things today. And I feel very blessed to have connected with you and and learned a little bit more about you as a person and, you know, as an organization, is there anything else? That may be where you want to talk about her mentioned before we start to wrap things up, You know, I’m so glad we met. I had a great conversation with you today. If anybody has any questions about Catahoula leopard dogs or Australian cattle dogs, please feel free to reach out to me about you know anything. Even if it’s just a question about anything. If you’re not sure about a behavior or you need additional Resource is that’s what we here for. We’re happy to assist you. Assist the dog. We don’t need to take every dog. We rather help you help the dog if we can. And that’s why we’re here. So feel free to reach out at any point if you need something. Yeah, it was definitely nicely stated. And we’ll be sure when we post the podcast that we, you know, link to your website and also your Facebook page s so that people can easily contact Yuhas. Well, so yeah. So she and I again, I’ve really enjoyed my time with you. And and thanks for sharing so much about the Catahoula rescue and in the specific breed. And we’ll make sure to follow you guys in the future. So thank you. Absolutely. Thank you so much for taking the time, Tio share what we do. And it’s been a great conversation. Thanks for tuning into today’s podcast. If you’re not already a member, join the ARPA to take advantage of all of the resources we have to offer. And don’t forget to sign-up with Doobert.com. It’s free and helps automate the most difficult tasks in animal rescue.