Animal Shelter of the Week: Episode 48 – Central California SPCA

As the leading animal welfare organization in California’s Central Valley, they are committed to leading and serving the community of animals and people by providing programs and services which serve all the stages of an animal’s life. These programs include Adoptions, Rescue, Foster Care, Owner Surrenders, Outreach, Humane Education, Veterinary Services, Spay/Neuter programs, and Pet Services.


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As the leading animal welfare organization in California’s Central Valley, Central California SPCA is committed to leading and serving the community of animals and people by providing programs and services which serve all of the stages of an animal’s life. These programs include adoptions, rescue, foster care, owner surrenders, outreach, humane education, veterinary services, spay and neuter programs, as well as many other pet services.

Hi, Talia. Welcome to the show. Hi, how are you? Thanks so much for having me. I’m doing great. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. We’re excited to learn more about you and your organization. Likewise. We really appreciate that you reached out. I’m happy that you guys were taking the time to talk with us today. You’re the Humane Education Coordinator at the Central California SPCA. Is that correct? That’s correct. Perfect. Can you kind of share with me a little bit about your organization and how you got started there? Yes, I’ve been working there for eight years, but the organization has been established here locally since 1946. So we’re one of the oldest, largest shelters in California, and I got started working there just like any other kid. I had a passion for working with animals. I had volunteered at two prior organizations and through my experience with also working with children, that’s how it opened up this role to be the Human Education Coordinator. So my role specifically covers, community outreach as well a Spanish media, because I am bilingual. I do presentations, typically in elementary schools for kids, about pet care, dog safety, but as well for adults and basically the whole community, wherever they want education about animal welfare, that’s what I do. That’s my passion, my dedication. And then we also have a kid’s program at the shelter. So then I run those activities. Wow. Okay, so you kind of just get your hands and a little bit of everything when it comes to the community and outreach and everything of that nature. That’s definitely like my focus, working with the kids and then figuring out how we can create, like, the sense of compassion and kindness at a young age so that definitely is, my number one goal. And then, like I said, at the end of the day, I do out reaching for a different age groups because I also have, for example, like the electric department or somebody or a group that needs to go out and do like a canvassing of homes. And they might experience like the dog encounter, and they need to know how to stay safe.

So sometimes you know, I’m not just educating kids on how to be safe around dogs, but it’s also adults. They need to know what to do in case they do encounter a loose dog or a dog in the home back, that kind of thing. Yeah, and I think that that’s important, too, because we never know how an animal’s gonna react to us approaching them or anything of that matter. That’s awesome. You kind of get to do some great education to the people of your community, which is awesome. and I love that you mentioned that you’re bilingual, too, because that’s important. We need that. So, well done. I’m kind of curious, what is the mission for your organization? It is to provide a protection, placement and education. So, as you can tell education’s 1/3 of our mission statement. And so placement would be when animals come in that they have an outlet. And then protection is being a shelter for animals that do require our services because they have nowhere else to go. So you guys got some pretty good values over there.

So you touched base a little bit on some of the programs that you guys offer. And when I was scrolling through your website, I noticed that you guys kind of offer a variety of different programs. Can you share with me some of the ones that you guys have, and some of the ones that are maybe, a little bit more unique, that we don’t usually hear of? There’s three facets to the shelter. The first aspect there’s a sheltering part where we do accept surrenders. Then we do adoptions. We are receiving animals, then the foster parent from us, they need to go somewhere else. We do animal abuse cases. We see strays, deal with dog bite cases, all of that. So that’s what has to do with the sheltering of animals and animal control and things like that and humane investigations. The other part of what we do at the shelter is low cost pet services. So we believe that in order for the community to be able to be more responsible with their animals, that they have a good this they can go to and get reasonable services such as low cost vaccines, spay, neuter, microchipping, end of life care, which would be like humane euthanasia if their pets are very terminally sick, cremation and columbarium, which is like a pet cemetery service, so that would be part of our local services there.

And the third aspect of what we do would be like I mentioned the education portion, which is out reaching to schools, doing like running kid’s camps, and junior volunteer opportunities. And then doing like media, so we do segments different local TV and radio, where every day we do like a pet of the week kind of thing and do talks on pet care and stuff like that. So those are the three main focuses our education center is very big, as well as our local services, different variety of things we offer. And then again, the animal control side of us. You had mentioned something about the radio where you guys kind of talk about different points of things. Can you share with our listeners a little bit about them? How they can go about listening to that? I mean, I think that would be beneficial. Locally, we have really good partnerships with several English, Spanish Radio and TV. And so every week we’re on there and then we’ll take an adoptable dog or cat or other small animal. So we promote that animal and then as well as—well, we usually get like, one or two minutes to talk, and then we’ll throw in a pet education topic as well. So some of those topics are gonna be on, like, you know, you just got a new puppy. What do you do? What are some training things that you should consider? Maybe it’s your a first time cat owner. Maybe you want a foster, but you don’t really know how it works. You want to know what the adoptions are about, how the whole process works. So any one of those things, where just every week, it’s such an epic week. We educated the community in a new area. And TV and radio are not just in English, but we also do Spanish. So I’m a spokesperson for the Spanish stations. Is it just radio and TV in that area? Or can people from other states have access to that? Is there like a website or anything? Yeah, good point. So some of these do have online channels, and so they could be seen on YouTube, like, for example, if you look up our name Central California SPCA. We should pop up on some search results for some of those stations, that have interviewed us. And yeah, so some of this information is accessible online, worldwide, you could say.

It seems like you guys have a very well rounded community. You know, surrounding your organization. Can you tell me a little bit about the people of your community? And you know, do you have a lot of animal lovers out there? Our particular region is very diverse regarding the people, and then we live in an agricultural society, at least that’s how it’s–lots of agriculture around here. They have a lot of migrant families, not just Hispanic-Spanish, speaking of Hispanic families but just families from, like all over the world. So our diversity in language and culture backgrounds are very different. Therefore, ideas about animals are gonna be very different as well here. So one thing that we just wanna bring more awareness is that it’s great that we’re diverse. But we also have to understand, like that California is one of the states that protects animals more than any other state. It has a lot of laws that protect animals, and so we wanted to share those kind of things. So people are abiding to them and they’re providing animals with the best care and things like that. So it’s a little bit about, like our demographic and then regarding like the the, um, the people that care about animals we actually have quite a bit of people. We have that do care for, for advocating for their rights. We have quite a bit of organizations, we’re not the only one. I don’t know off the top of my head how many, but we have quite a bit that are rescues and shelters in the area, and not just in our city, but like all the surrounding communities, pretty much every community around here have some sort of animal control service and because it does have to be provided by the government. So we have the protection of our animals.

In some cities are more limited, so our particular shelter is one of the biggest and deals with more of the situations and cases. And because of that, we have a good following, a lot of supporters, and donors, and you know, people that really care and come to want to help us. But nonetheless, we always tell people, even if you help from these smaller shelters and rescued, they need just as much of help as we do. And we’re all just basically doing the same work. And but one thing that’s unfortunate is that although we have quite a bit of people that care for animals and want to help them, promote them, is not enough the amount of animals that and I’m sure this happens in every state. The amount of animals coming into shelters, definitely, it supersedes the amount of adopters and volunteers and fosters. So we don’t have enough even though it seems like we’re a big organization, at the end of the day, still not enough. So we’re always advocating for their needs.

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What is the community like for the animals in your area? Do you get a lot of dumping or anything of that nature? Definitely, yes. So we do have a lot of animal abandonment that happens. We do receive strays from our local city, and then we have people that turn them in, which is their pet. But then they say it’s not so they can avoid fees for surrender. So typically, most shelters or rescues would charge a sort of surrender fee and then, but when you turn it in as a stray, there’s no cost, and there is no way to verify that you are not the owner, so you know, we just take your word for it. So it happens a lot of times that even though these animals are being brought in and people are saying that they found them as strays, sometimes you know when they’re bringing in a box of puppies. I mean, they’re not always abandoned and is very likely, and we know, because you can see it in their face there’s probably a moment the dog got pregnant, they don’t know what to do with them. So it’s easy to say, “Oh, yeah, I just found these puppies, you know, abandoned somewhere” when in reality it was their pup or they’re either embarrassed, so they don’t know what to do. So it’s good that at least they’re bringing them into the shelter, and they’re not abandoned. Yeah. But it’s unfortunate that they’re not being honest, because at the end of the day, like, if we have to make a selection process, unfortunately, we do the euthanize at the shelter.

And so if somebody is more upfront about where these animals came from, we have a better idea of what we can do with them, and the route that we’re gonna take. Versus if you say they’re a stray, you know, maybe the opportunity is not gonna be as high versus a surrender. Because we have more background, we know exactly what happened, we know, like, if they’ve been vaccinated because a person is gonna open up and say more things, you know. Nonetheless, all the animals are vaccinated upon arrival, whether they come in as a stray or surrender. But we know that people are not making good choices because we receive over 65 animals every day, the amount of animals that are coming into our particular shelter, it’s very significant. So we know that even though we have a lot of clinics that dedicate themselves to spaying and neutering, it’s overwhelming. We do have still a lot of breeders in the area, breeders that are not reputable, that are just doing that, you know, out of their backyards. Yeah. Or people just have accidental pregnancies, again, they don’t know what to do. So like I said, the animals, they definitely need help and one thing that we want to continue to grow is our animal abuse investigations, because we have a lot of that that’s recorded. But of course, like right now, we’re not able to hire more staff to do the investigation. We want to grow that as well as our spay and neuter clinic.

Those two elements, our education center, and our wellness funds. When these animals do come in with medical needs that somebody can be able to provide the support that they need financially so they can receive the care because obviously we’re a non profit. So that means that in order for these animals to get better, it’s going to require money, and the money comes from donors. Anyway, those are some areas that we’re struggling with and just our volunteer base as well. It’s very important to know where these animals came from and what their background is as best you can. So that way, like you said, they could possibly have a better outcome because you can’t take in every animal. And sometimes, unfortunately, you have to do the inevitable. But I love that you touched based on that, because I feel like there’s a lot of people out there that do that scenario.

So what would you say? Is your organization’s biggest challenge? Unfortunately, even though we do have a lot of supporters, we still have a lot of people that are. Of course, it makes sense that the fact that we euthanize. Now, that’s not our goal. Our goal is to save as many lives as possible. I mean, when I started working out there, that’s exactly what I want, too, don’t I? How can I save your life? So I didn’t start working there so I can euthanize animals, that’s the opposite. I’m trying to take the animals out and find them placement and the fact that people say things online as if we’re not compassionate, or we’re not caring, you know, that we’re not trying. Everybody’s doing their best, you know. Everybody’s like, underpaid, overworked. I mean, that’s just the matter of working in a non profit in an animal organization. But we definitely are compassionate people. We definitely care. We want these animals to get out and find placement. So we’re just hoping that people will fully understand how a shelter works or how our shelter works. And then in comparison to, like, other shelters, I call themselves no kill shelters, which I tell people one is not better than the other because at the end of the day, we help each other like we are able to find placement for these animals because no-kills are able to take them. But people also have to understand that no-kills are limited, so they will not take in anything and everything. Like, we don’t turn animals away. You want to bring it in, you know, any day for any reason. Like you said, no judgment? We’ll go ahead and do that. And so, that right there, that little fact that I just said, you know that in most animal people know that. But I think it’s not common knowledge. People don’t know that. And because of that, that’s where people start passing judgment on the shelter. And then the thing is that they’ll say, “well, you guys euthanize? well, I don’t want to support you I’m not gonna go there.” And then they don’t realize that that’s gonna increase euthanasia.

We need supporters. We need a adopters, donors, people to come in and foster. By them staying away from or refraining from the organization, that’s not helpful at all. So we need to learn to work together. And that goes back to you working with other organisations. This is that whole big picture of these podcasts. I hope it reaches people and the listeners understand, you know, the difference between a shelter that euthanizes, and a no-kill rescue or shelter like it’s important and it’s crucial for you guys to work together. Because, like you said, you guys take in any case, the highs, the lows, anything and you know, without you guys, there would be more animals on the streets. It would be a bigger problem, So the fact that people need to be educated. This is why I love doing this because you can share that with people and nobody ever wants to euthanize an animal. I mean, you don’t jump up every morning and say, “Hey, I’m going to work to euthanize animals” like that’s not—that’s not the case at all. And your right, you need the support of the people and they need to understand it. And I don’t think that a lot of people that don’t work in the animal welfare industry realize the amount of work and emotion and just the toll that it takes on somebody to work in that field. Because I think like, at the end of the day, if we could be like a no-kill shelter, I mean, we would love to being on that. But the thing is that currently we have the animal control contract, which means that we are going to receive anything and everything, and some choices have to be made.

There are some dogs that come in that severely attacked the person and that unfortunately probably should not be reintegrated into society. There are some dogs that come in or cats that have, like very horrible medical conditions and nobody’s paying boarders and we can’t find–nobody’s donating for their cause. So what do you do with these animals that are suffering, right? So there are some situations where, at the end of the day, regardless of which organization it is, those choices have to be made. But again, we want to save as many as possible for those that are healthy, that are treatable, rehabilitatable, that is a goal to get them out. And then another thing that’s a good point for people to understand is that at least in our city, there’s help for these animals. There’s some towns that are so little, they don’t have any support, literally like if you want to take an animal to a shelter, you have to drive like an hour, maybe two hours away to find your closest shelter. They probably don’t even have good path of animal control, if somebody is walking the street and there’s a loose dog, and if there’s an animal that’s injured, by the time that somebody can get out there, I mean–. What could have happened to that? Yeah, in reality, living in a big city has its benefits. There, you’re living–you have a shelter nearby because there’s something.

And there are some places that I’ve seen, some of our smaller towns, they don’t get that rapid response. And it’s more unfortunate, you know, for those animals and I have also traveled the world. So I’ve been to like Mexico, and I’ve been to India, and I’ve seen how the animals–I love to ask questions when I travel, and I like to visit the shelters because I can get a better understanding. That way, when people come from different countries, I can understand a little bit of the mentality because I can understand their laws. I like to find out how animals are treated and regarded in those societies. That way, when I outreach to them and then I know what to say and then I can kind of speak on the same level field. So that’s another thing of understanding, like your diverse community that way, you know, how to outreach to them specifically. Yeah, and that’s something that I didn’t know. I mean, I know it differs from state to state, but the fact that people’s culture and their nationality, everything, everybody’s different. And somebody had brought up the other day about children who have never known a nice pet due to dog fighting, and that really hit home for me because you don’t think about stuff like that like that child has never met a nice pet. And they don’t know that animals have that compassion and emotion and things like that are I feel like the world kind of doesn’t know about because I know I didn’t, I never even thought about stuff like that until I got into this industry. And now it’s like a whole new world. I’m with you in that. And I’m curious because you said that you guys bring in sometimes 65 animals per day.

How many animals do you guys usually have in your care? At one time? You know a rough estimate. At any given time, it can race between 500 to 700 animals, so we have total currently about 80 staff members, and they all have different functions. Well, not everybody’s doing animal care and then of course days off, and we’ll do this and that thing, so at the end of the day seems like a lot of people, but it’s not. So that’s where we supplement the other portion by getting volunteers. We’re very amicable with working with different schools. So we actually accept volunteers as low as eight years old. So they can start volunteering that young and then we have different levels. So we have, like our junior program. So it’s where 8 to 13. We have our 14 to  17 year olds, and then we have our adults. And then we also have a group that come in like the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. They come in for like a day they want to serve, and we’ll fill some hours, that kind of thing. So we definitely love working with people, anybody that wants to come in and help. And I have, like, a long list of 100 things they can do to help. I always give them that list and I say “just pick anything you want to do on this list. Whatever calls out to you, that’s what you can do.” And even if it is sharing like a post online, that has helped that animal because who knows how many people could see it. And that usually is what gets them adopted–as they saw it online, and they’re like, “Oh, I saw this really cute dog on your website and your Facebook”, and then they come in and adopt it. And so that’s really just something simple like that is very hopeful. I love that you guys are able to offer many different things to different age groups and the fact that you guys kind of used it as where they can get hours with their activities and everything like that. That’s really cool that you guys can do that.

And you mentioned that you guys, house fosters as well, right? Yes. And that’s another great way that we try to promote to our, like, our students that need hours, and not all of them are able to come in and like work directly at the shelter. So we say, “Hey, take a puppy or kitten at home and we give you time for volunteering to taking care of that animals to foster.” So we’ll give you like, an hour a day that you have that puppy in your house. So if you take care of it for us for 30 days, you just get 30 hours and by volunteering from home, so we like to bring that up as a potential for those students that are really not able, because maybe we might be a little bit too far for them or, you know, they just want hours. Yeah. For whatever reason. But we try to give many opportunities, things that they can do from home, that they can still gain the time that they need to fulfill whatever requirements they have. A lot of the schools here are starting to require that. That in order to graduate or if they want to gain like a certain award or whatever, or even if it’s just to build their resume. And so we like to give them all these different things that they can do. They can make toys, they can bake things for the dogs and they can bring them and donate treats. So we try to be very creative and the opportunities that we offer the community. You guys have a variety of things, and you guys seem like you’re well in tune with the people of your community, which is just awesome.

So you’ve been in this industry quite awhile. You mentioned that you traveled a lot. You know, you’ve seen those different cultures and the diversity. Do you have any type of memorable story that you would like to share with us today? That kind of either got you in this position that you’re in or did something happen to where you were just like. “yep, I wanna work with animals for the rest of my life”. There some zip codes in our area that are a little bit more problematic than other’s. As in we received more animal calls, more animal situations from those areas. I used to live in one of those zip codes, and it’s still unfortunately, is still problematic area where we always get calls about abandonment, and lose dogs, people getting bit, in that area. When I was young, I always encountered animals in difficult situations that needed help. And I never knew who to call. I didn’t know what the SPCA was. I didn’t really know a shelter. I was really young. I just knew that there was an animal. They needed help, and I had no idea what to do other than tell an adult. And then sometimes, when I was telling an adult, they themselves didn’t know what to do.

For example, when I was about, like, I think it was that like fifth grade, there was a puppy that was hit in our school by a car. The little puppy was severely injured. So the maintenance worker at the school, he got the puppy and then he put it in a closet and he kept it there for the rest of the day because he had no idea what to do with this dog. And then at the end of the day, I went and I went to the maintenance work and I asked if I could see the puppy and if I can take it home. And he said, “Sure, Take it”, cause I mean again, he didn’t know what to do. So I took it home, I also didn’t know what to do. My mom got really upset. She was, like, “you cannot bring this injured dog home. We don’t know what to do with it. What if we get in trouble? Because we’re not tending to it?” Because my mom didn’t have the money, that’s why we didn’t have any animals. So she made me return it, so I went back to school the next day, I took the dog and I was in the bathroom, like, “what am I gonna do with this puppy? Like it’s suffering”, and this Mom comes in with her daughter and she said, “Oh, what a cute little dog you have. Do you need help?” And I said “I do.” I was like, “I have no idea what to do.” And she is like, “do you want me to help you?” And I was like, “Yes, please.” And she took the dog from me. So hopefully this dog got care. I mean, I’m not really sure what happened after, like, anyway, so that story stays with me because I think about how many kids currently are still, like, going through the same things? Like, they see animals that are in pain that has something going on, but they have no idea what to do. And then the adults that they pulled, they don’t know what to do either, you know? So that kind of grew that passion. Then I volunteered at the zoo. I volunteered at another animal shelter and then eventually I saw those opening and then I was like, “Oh, great. You know, I’ve always wanted to work with animals like Let’s do it.”

Initially, I wanted to be a vet like every kid, like, if there’s nothing else to do, I’m like, “I wanna be a vet”. But then I realized that, you know, the medical field wasn’t for me because I wasn’t strong in my math classes and for you to be a doctor, you have to be good in those classes. Then from there, I started going to–I started high school with that idea. Then I went to community college and I thought I wanted to do like law about animals. I was okay. “Maybe it could be an attorney.” I’m really good in my English classes. I like writing. I like reading and writing. And I know you have to do a lot of that if you’re gonna be an attorney. Presenting cases, and I was good at public speaking. But then I graduated with my B.A. and at that point, I was already working at the SPCA as the educator. So I decided instead to graduate in English education and continue to use my degree at the shelter because it basically like it just plugged in so well. And I realize that who I really needed to outreach to, was the owners. That’s who I needed to, so I was like, “Okay, medical field is great, but you know, already what the aftermath of them being injured. As an attorney, the same thing. I’m probably gonna want to prosecute the people that hurt them. But I’m like that’s all the aftermath I need to do the prior. The pre-education. So then I felt like, that’s where I was more vital, like, it was more vital to get into that area, so I continue to do that. Another really big project that we’re working on at the shelter, which I’m really excited about this. We’re going to start offering classes for animal offenders. So if they committed a crime against an animal, they might have to go take some animal cruelty classes. And so this is something really great for us because we want to be able to make sure that they’re not gonna do this again. Right? So, if they committed some– depends on the crime. So it’s gonna depend also on the district attorney, and then what they decide to do because not all of them are gonna have that option of getting a lesser crime, or getting a lesser sentence. But it can help their case, and then it’s definitely–we want them to learn what to do properly next time.

Anyway, I’m working on the lesson plans for that, and then hopefully we’ll start offering them as of, January. Actually, pretty soon. So in a couple of weeks. So another big reason why we want to do this is because we understand that the cycle of violence, that’s where it starts. So if they are not taught how to be compassionate towards an animal that’s gonna escalate, go onto a human, that human could be a child, it could be somebody who’s vulnerable. It could be a woman. It could be an elderly person. It doesn’t matter, but it starts right there. And so we can cut it and we can educate them and show some sense of compassion. Then hopefully it will not happen again, not just to an animal potentially to another person. Yes. That’s kind of like, the bigger picture of this project. I give you guys kudos for that and, you know, opening up that mindset to be willing to work with them. That’s awesome. I want to kind of go back to your story a little bit. That really touched me because you’re right. There are a ton of people that don’t know what to do with a hurt animal, or you know if they see something going on and they don’t know who to talk to or who to tell. And I find that, that’s a big thing for everybody. I mean, if you don’t know who to go to, you kind of just look past it and hope that somebody else sees it and reports it. But I’m happy to see that you took that scenario and you’ve built yourself up. You know what you want to do. You clearly you’re doing something that you love doing. And I also love that you pointed out that instead of being in a field where you handle the post outcome, you wanted to be there before that, that ever even happened, no matter what the case was. So I think you’ve done well and have come a long way. Now you’re coming up with lesson plans, and over there you guys just seem like you have a big, loving, supportive community and you’re willing to keep growing that.

So you shared with me that you guys want to do classes for the animal offenders? What else would you say that your organization has future goal wise? So we have a clinic that currently only offers vaccines and spay and neuters on a limited basis. Because we do have to spay and neuter all the ones that get adopted and so through that we get overwhelmed. We’re not able to do more as we would like. So we want to get funding, a grant to be able to have a big spay and neuter clinic. Like we can fully focused on that. And then a swell is offering low cost services not just vaccines and spay and neuters, but also other services maybe dental care, health exams. So we want our clinic to grow. At one point, our hospital was that, but unfortunately we had to reduce services because we didn’t have the funding for it. But now that, you know, we’re restructuring ourselves, we’re hoping to open up those services again because people were calling us,and like, “Hey, you don’t have a clinic, you don’t have all those services.” Like, they were really helpful, definitely. But they were so low cost that at the same time, we couldn’t afford to keep them going. So now we’re thinking of just, you know, how to make that work again. But that is a big thing because, you know, we definitely need to do a lot of adoptions, and we need a lot of foster parents and all this other stuff. But we definitely need to spay and neuter those that are already out there, right? Yep.

The people’s pets, and they need a place to go that’s affordable. Generally, getting a spay and neuter surgery done in our area is not terribly expensive anyway, but we’d all need something a little bit cheaper nonetheless, because there are still those families that even though unfortunately they probably will not be able to care for the pet of 100%. But if they can at least spay and neuter it at the really cheap, reasonable prize, then we’re gonna prevent future pregnancies with more animals into the same situation, that’s another big goal that we have. And it’s just kind of in the works, we’ve already been like constantly promoting that during ah, giving Tuesday. That was one thing that we were fund raising specifically for, was to open up a bigger spay/neuter volume clinic.

So if anybody is wanting to volunteer or become a foster or just get in contact with you guys in any way, how can they go about doing that? What’s the best way? They can email They can also call our education line which is, 559-233-0115. You can also Google Central California SPCA. We’ll pop right up and then you’ll be able to contact us that way as well. We’re very communicable like you can reach us by email, call, whatever. Although our calls–actually our phones get tied up, but do leave a voicemail and we’ll get back to you as soon as we can. And people just need to remember that we’re running around the shelter, we’re not always near the phone, but we will definitely get back to you. Just give us a little bit of time and then we’ll answer whatever questions you have. It could be about your pet, it could be about our services, adoption, volunteering whatever you have in mind. I mean, pretty much anything that has to do with the animals, we’ll answer your question. Yes, absolutely. And I love that.

We’re not just sitting around waiting, you know. We’re running around the shelter. Well, Talia, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us today. Is there anything else you want to share with us before we wrap things up. No, really appreciate the opportunity. We hope that this podcast can reach many listeners because the information are very valuable for every community to be aware of. Because these issues that I just shared, they don’t just happen here in the Central Valley of California. This happens nationwide. This is a nationwide problem. If you ask your shelter, they’re gonna point to the same problems. And they also need help. So if you’re listening from wherever you are in the world, please, outreach to your local shelter because I’m pretty sure that they need help. And it could be as — you could be an owner, you could be a foster, whatever–ask them. They have specific needs that they need help with. And they will love for you to get involved with them. Absolutely. Thank you so much for sharing that. And I look forward to connecting with you in the future. I see you guys going far and I’m excited to see what the future has in store for you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate this.

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