Episode 7 – Jody Bearman

We talked with Dr. Jody Bearman who graduated from the University of Wisconsin-Madison with a BS in Bacteriology and from the University of Minnesota College of Veterinary Medicine with a DVM. Dr. Jody tells us how she switched from traditional western medicine to homeopathy, what homeopathic remedies animal rescue professionals should have on hand, how can people incorporate homeopathic practices at home with their pets and much more! To learn more about Dr. Jody and her practice you can go here, www.anshenvet.com

Check out this episode!“Welcome to the Professionals and Animal Rescue podcast, where goal is to introduce you two amazing people helping animals and share how you can get involved with animal rescue. This’ll Podcast is probably sponsored by do bert dot com. Do Bert is a free website designed to connect volunteers with rescues and shelters, and the only site that automates rescue really transport. Now on with our show today, we’re talking with Dr Jody Berman. Dr. Jody graduated from the University of Wisconsin Madison with the B s and bacteriology and from the University of Minnesota College of Veterinary Medicine with a D. V. M. Back in 1992. She worked in small time mixed practice, then small animal and exotic practice, using Western medicine for 16 years wanted help animals that couldn’t be diagnosed or treated with master Western medicine and those that developed severe side effects from Western medicine. She took that she institute for traditional Chinese veterinary medicine, mixed animal course and became a certified veterinary acupuncturist in 2005. Dr. Jodi is also a certified veterinary Chinese herbalist and now is an instructor at the CI Institute, the first of its kind outside of China. she’s excited every day to help animals hell and stay healthy shorts of many different animals, including courses dogs, cats, goats, birds, cheep, cows, rodents, reptiles, rabbits and more. High Doctor Jodi, Welcome to the program. Tell us a little bit about you. You’ve got quite a very interesting background. Well, I’m a veterinary, and I graduated from the University of Minnesota Veterinary School after coming to Madison for undergrad and bacteriology and a conventional medicine for the 1st 13 years until I paid off my student loans and I wasn’t happy with the results I was getting. I was finding out that a lot of diseases weren’t treatable with conventional medicine and sometimes weren’t even diagnosable. And I didn’t like the answer being euthanasia for things we just didn’t know what to do with. So I took the money that I was paying towards my student loans and took Chinese medicine courses so that she institute for traditional Chinese veterinary medicine in Florida. And I did there acupuncture courses on the twain Ah chorus and I did all the herbal choruses and I did food therapy online and ended up ta ng there for a few years, and I loved it. And actually, after I finished acupuncture courses, I just couldn’t do conventional medicine anymore. So I started on business, Um, on Shin. It was on trend veterinary acupuncture. We just changed the name to on Shan Holistic veterinary Care, and I moved to Hawaii for a couple of years with one of my classmates. Who was that? That she institute also and asked me Thio, do some relief work for her and I ended up really loving it and choose a veterinary homey a pack. Also, I got really interested in that which I did learn a little bit about studying it for a year after school when I was in vet school with a few other students. But that really got me a lot more motivated. So when I came back here, I took chiropractic courses and then I took home the apathy. So I graduated from both of those programs, and that’s what I do know is Chinese medicine homey apathy, and we have to call it veterinary spinal manipulation therapy in the state of Wisconsin. But it is the same as chiropractic. Condemn a member of the College of Animal Chiropractors. Wow, there’s there’s a lot there. So let’s start with what? What is, homie? Apathy? I mean, for somebody like me, I hear the term. I hear it a lot, but I don’t really always understand what it means. How is it? Is it the same asshole ist IQ? That is such a good question. It is not the same asshole mystic. So holistic just means using everything. It’s kind of a general term for using lots of different modalities, and there are tons of modalities out there. Modalities just needs different ways of treating. So there are lots and lots of different ways of treating. But homey apathy is a specific way of treating. That came about due to a physician from Germany named Samuel Hahnemann in the late 17 hundreds. He’s he knew 13 different languages, and he studied all different kinds of medicine. He was also a chemist. He was really unhappy with medicine at that time. He found that sort of like now, when people were treating disease, they would treat the disease, that the treatment of the disease would eventually kill the patient, just like a lot of things that that might happen. Now, if you listen to commercials advertising drugs. You hear that a lot, you know, blah, blah, blah and death. That’s that’s just what would happen back then. And he was really unhappy with that. And he said, I don’t want to do that. I don’t want to try to get rid of somebody syphilis and end up killing with Mercury poisoning. So I want to come up with something different. So he was listening to or he was not listening to You didn’t have podcast back then, but he was reading up study from another physician at the time who said, Oh, cinchona bark works to kill malaria because it’s really bitter and he’s like, Well, that’s ridiculous. Army campus There are a lot of things more more bitter than cinchona bark. You know what? I think I’ll just take a little bit every day and see what happens. I’m a super healthy guy, and I’m gonna see what happens. So he took a little bit every day. He found out he developed the symptoms of malaria, so he’s like, Well, it works because it causes the same symptoms. Mmm. I think I’ve read things like this. So what he did was he got together all his very healthy friends, only healthy people, half men and half women, kind of unlike now and had them each take different substances that were deluded and shaken by him because he was a chemist. And that’s the way chemist in things back then and saw and had the record very specifically exactly how they felt with each thing that they took and for certain amounts of time that he would have them follow it and also for certain frequencies he’d have to have them write. It was very scientifically done, and he found out that certain things cause certain symptoms and that then he found that if he treated people with those exact symptoms, they would get better. So that’s how it all started. And so it is a completely different kind of medicine. It’s not like anything else. It’s called home Iapa’s because it’s like treats like so you know, if you have the symptoms that since Joan of Arc causes and you take the very diluted and shaking a deluded and chicken, the things we give our deluded and shaken thousands to millions of times, you give that the body actually cures itself, so it’s not the medicine that’s curing you. It’s the body, recognizes the disease in that medicine and goes, Oh, I’m doing the wrong thing. I better fix my phone on the body fixes itself. So give us a couple of examples, like so. People are probably very familiar with the Western veterinary care and things that they do in big drugmakers and things like that. How do you contrast that? Or give us an example? Maybe so people can understand. How is homie apathy different? It is so different. Okay, so let me give you it is a sort of an easier one. Um, this one was published in a homey Apathy journal recently. This is my patient who’s a young horse names dip. He is very handsome, very full of life, a wonderful guy Anyway. He kicked his barn wall, which is made out of metal, and the metal sliced through his foot through the joint capsule and broke off a piece of his bone in his foot. And that school had seen him and said, You have to euthanize this horse because once I cut like that goes through the joint capsule in fractures. But it’s especially going through the joint capsule. There will never be better. He’ll always have infection. He’ll die a slow, horrible death. You have to euthanize him and the persons like No, he’s young. He was one year old anyway. He had been given some antibiotics ivy. But, um, he she really didn’t notice a difference. And and I went to see him, and I put all his symptoms together. He had certain symptoms, especially with how the look, but the swelling look like what the discharge looked and smelled like and how he was acting, came up with the remedy, put all his symptoms together, figure out which remedy it went into, gave him the remedy while I was there, and all I had to do after that was just rinse it with saline and dab it dry and bandage it to keep it clean. And that’s all I do do that every day for several days, the swelling start to go down. Any start to do better, and I had to repeat it when we saw some more discharge that had kind of a funky smell. And that was it. And he is 100% now. He is running. Actually, she just put a video up on face. I just saw it where she took him for a trail ride. He’s too. So she’s not riding it. But he’s going along with the other reasons he’s moving beautifully, not having any trouble at all. So that’s one case. Um, would you like a more complicated case? Sure. Okay, so, um, let’s see. It probably shouldn’t just two horses, right? Okay. Let me give you a case. A dog with cancer. I have a dog patient who I actually I’m going to see today. I’m rechecking her today. She was a rescue, and this is a good reason to bring her up. So she was a rescue. They don’t really know how old she is. She’s a husky or husky mix. And she had a severe Her name is Flurry. And she’s extremely beautiful. And she had when they first got her, she had a really weird skin problem on her side where the skin was actually green in itself green. It was very weird. She also had some pretty serious aggression towards other dogs of dog park, so they couldn’t bring her to the dog park. Um, she developed a cancer in her front leg and she had it removed and it grew right back and they said it was a bad cancer. Um, it’s a sarcoma and that you never get rid of it. And we did try some Chinese medicine. But she had a bad problem with the Herbal Madison. So should we couldn’t do that anymore. So put all her symptoms together. There is a very weird symptoms. She had two very weird symptoms that made it easier to figure out the remedy. So the weirder the symptoms, the easier it is to figure out the remedy. In her case, she had a green skin at one point, which is very weird and her other symptoms. She’s a husky who doesn’t like the cold weather. Those two things were really unusual and really helped me figure out The remedy so gave her the remedy, and she’s been getting better and better and better. She’s not aggressive anymore. In fact, she was always really fearful when she would come in to see me. Now she comes right up wagging her tail, looking me in the eye like I want a treat. So she’s happy. She goes for long walks. She’s having a great time with the other dogs. She’s not as fathered by the cold weather. The Mass is not bothering her at all. You can’t see it anymore. Her skin problems are all resolved. The last thing to get better is just a little bit of stuff inside her ears. And that’s that is often the last thing to get better isn’t your problem if it’s about a chronic problem, but it’s pretty exciting. Yeah, that’s really cool. So what was really fascinating to me when you were kind of introducing yourself was you did what I would call traditional Western veterinary medicine from with 16 years and then wasn’t an event. Was there something that caused you to say? You know what? This isn’t This isn’t working for me. It took me 13 years to pay off my student loans. I s so I really couldn’t take the Chinese medicine courses. I really wanted to do it before that, but I couldn’t afford to. And so, um, I had always wanted to. When I was in vet school, I studied after school with three or four other vets students for a year with a local homeopathic practitioner and he had us read Dr Pitt Karen’s book and Dr Pitcairn is who ran the chorus for home Ya apathy that I just that I took. He’s an amazing human being and he just came out with a new book. In fact, I did that when I was in vet school long ago, and I and I’ve always been interested in Chinese medicine. But again, I didn’t learn anything until I took a short, very short cars like a weekend course at another conference. And then I paid off my student loans is was able to take the full course. The reason I wanted to do it was that I was just never happy with the answers that I got. Lots of times, there was no answer. There was not even a diagnosis that we could make. There are a lot of diseases that had no diagnosis, and if they did lots of times that the answer was euthanasia, and I thought, Well, that’s not good. I don’t like that. I want to be able to do something. I need more tools in my toolbox to be able to help animals and and I didn’t have enough, and once I did Chinese medicine than I needed chiropractic so I could have more than once. I had that and you didn’t have to have more tools. So I did, homie apathy. And I just took a applied kinesiology seminar really intensive three day seminar and learned a lot more tools. And I feel like the more I know, the more I know. I don’t know. And the more I want to learn to be able to help animals, that’s really cool. I mean, it’s interesting. Bring up some of the other things because I’m looking at your website and just under our service, is that mean acupuncture, laser, acupuncture, electro acupuncture, a spinal manipulation? Maybe talk to us about some of these things, cause some of these there was one called aqua puncture. I’d never even never even heard of that before, So I wasn’t even sure what that waas Okay, all the things that you just described just go under acupuncture other than the spinal manipulation, which is also called chiropractic. But we just aren’t allowed to call it that. And with your nonsense a lot Electro acupuncture is acupuncture. We put the needles and and we have the animal up to electro acupuncture machine. So it’s sort of like a tens unit that they would use in physical therapy or something like that, where you just hook. It’s a very, very low electrical stimulation, and they’re different settings that you you turn it to, depending on what the problem is. So you can have one setting for release of serotonin, another setting for release of dopamine. So their things to relieve pain and to allow more movement of the joints. There are things that are thio, stimulate, thio strengthen. So it is. There’s a lot there, and then the aqua puncture the one that you were really interested in, is injection of a substance at an acupuncture point. So that substance it can often be as simple as sailing. And, um, B 12 is something that we come and leave you because it lasts a long time for a lot of G. I problems. Gastrointestinal problems. We might want to do B 12 at that point because that’s also good for gastrointestinal problems, but also it just stimulates the point for a long time. So if you put in irritating substance and B 12 is more of an irritating substance than sailing. Yeah, it will last longer. So it just makes the point last longer. And I I did have a rescue patient that I did that with the from that is going to be a therapy dog. He had some really weird symptoms. Poop would just fall out of him. Use it. Ah, young dog. And he had some trouble walking and really couldn’t. There was no diagnosis. I think they had taken him to the vet school and they didn’t have a diagnosis. And I did some B 12 acupuncture. They’re aqua puncture and he was better. And that was it. I think I saw him once or twice, and he was fine. And now he’s a therapy dog or returned veterans. That’s really cool. So do you. You know, I was reading through some of the FAA cues and things on your website, and I guess the question that always comes to mind for me is when do people need to see somebody like you? Is that after they’ve tried the various therapies with their traditional dead and things aren’t working out, you know, maybe kind of explained the thought process that people should follow to seek somebody out with your skills. Well, that’s a great question. Um, if I had my choice, I would say everyone should bring their animal in as soon as possible. And the reason is not because I think that I need to see him. So, you know, because I need to see him. It’s because we can help them decide what to do with their patients. So when you’re doing Chinese medicine, we look at everything and saying with homey up with the look of every little thing about their animal. And we spend a lot of time, our first appointments or two hours. So we ask, Yeah, we ask every little thing about the patient, and it gives us a lot of information. So they even a puppy, they might. Lots of puppies or young dogs have diarrhea. And so then we ask about the diarrhea. How frequent is it? What does it smell like? What does it look like? What are the colors? Is there mucus? You know, we asked all these things because it tells us there’s in Chinese Edison, something called damp heat, which is a stinky and mucus. He may be made with blood and then homey apathy. It’s even more specific. I want to know. What does the blood look like? Is it spots in the streets? You know, I want to know every little thing because it helps point me towards what that Deval needs to be is very healthiest. Another thing that we always discuss is nutrition, and that’s a huge thing. I mean, it’s it’s gonna make such a difference in the life of every animal what they’re eating, and that’s maybe the first thing. In fact, we do a lot of just nutritional consul to some other things with a young dog that we would talk to people about is if they have not already been state or neutered. When would we recommend doing that? What what we recommend for vaccines while we recommend for de warmers what to be recommend for heartworm prevention, and it kind of depends on if they decide to do Chinese medicine or homey apathy, we would recommend slightly different things there. What would we say about tight er’s but what kinds of things like that? But we have to say, and of course, we have them see their regular, but of course we do I mean, they need to have blood work done. Sometimes they need X rays sometimes, Um and we do a full exam when we see them, But sometimes we need more specialized things that we don’t do something. I’m like, I just saw someone recently. I’m like, You know what? This animal has a heart murmur. You really need to go see a party geologist or internal medicine specialist who does echocardiogram. And I would really feel a lot better if you went and did that right away. You know, even if you don’t see me again, I want you to do that. What’s really important? So we were all conventional vets that I work with. And of course, we do that kind of an exam also and want to make sure there are things well, but we’re checking other things to that. Other people don’t don’t know how to check. So we check the pulses and the pulses aren’t just feeling tiny 18 pulses and they tell us each about an organ. And so there’s a lot of information there and recheck diagnostic points, which is Chinese Madison. We check tongue, we check, and it’s not just there’s a lot more information than just do they have. What? There’s a lot of information on a tongue which the pop As we check the nail beds, we check for heat for color for, for Dr. We took every little thing on the animal, and we want to know every little thing the person has to tell us because it all points us too, huh? Oh, they should eat how they should be treated in other ways. That’s really interesting. I mean, it’s kind of like you’re a guide. You’re helping them, given your experience with traditional medicine, and then the more advanced training that you’ve had, your kind of helping them to choose. You know, when you’re giving them various different options based upon them or thorough and comprehensive. Look at what that situation is. So that’s pretty, uh, pretty interesting. You also mentioned, um, nutrition, because that was a question I was gonna actually ask you Is is that, you know, people just bring their animal to somebody like you when there’s a problem. Where is this? Something that you know there are daily nutrition’s or just normal wellness things, you know? Help me understand how the nutrition and just the day to day kind of plays into these things. Okay, Well, like like a young animal that someone just a doctor, even older animal that someone adopted and they don’t know if there’s anything wrong with them. They just want checked over. They want to know what’s the best food for that animal. And so the Chinese exam, the chiropractic exam, more of the Chinese examined homeopathic type exam will give us a lot of information on what that specific animal needs. So you might have heard some of the Chinese medicine terms like union deficient or blood deficient or cheat efficient. We confined that all out from doing the exam, and then depending on what we find, or sometimes there’s something called access, there might be something called damp heat damp. He could be like hot spots. And if it was actual damn P, that means that the pulses would be access. The Tom might be red might be kind of wet. There be hot spots on the body, hot areas on the body. If we were, any of the skin might be moisten. My coat might be a little bit moist. In that case, we would say, Well, we wantto have you feed these certain foods because it will really help to drain the damp, cool the dog. And then once they’ve done that, then we might find that there’s an underlying problem under there. They might be cheat, efficient or yen deficient, or something like that, too. And then we might be able to recommend other things. But we will be able to recommend other things that would be good for that specific animal. Often we see animals that are having a lot more trouble. I mean, I would say the majority of our patients are not young healthy the muzzle, although we do definitely see them. But we see more animals with cancer, with arthritis, with gastrointestinal disease, with all kinds of unusual diseases and those that are not as unusual. A diabetes and interesting complications of diabetes. Um, just about anything you could think of. I think we see and we have food recommendations for all of those patients. So are there things that people I mean? People hear about homely apathy, and we already talked about us a holistic and how that’s very different. Um, but you know, for example, the one that I hear it seems recently last for years is essential oils rate. And there’s the dog Oiler lady. And there’s all this talk in the animal world that I hear about for central oils and what they’re used for and things like that. And so it kind of leaves me to say, What are the things that you as a profession, would recommend that people can do with their animals? And what things should they exercise caution with? And, you know, maybe kind of talked to some of those things that you would say, Hey, look, these are things you could do with your animals at home that these air that this is kind of where I would draw the line without getting some professional help. Okay, so some That’s great. So some good takeaways, my favorite. It’s not an essential oil. Think it’s a Bach flower remedy called rescue remedy. And I think since you’re talking to rescue professionals, I would assume everybody knows about rescue remedy. Make sure it’s the non alcohol kind. You can buy it not as Bach Flower brand. There are less expensive brands. I tend to get mine from quintessence in math s and on Lakeside Street. He makes his own, and he sells it. It’s, ah, lot less expensive, and its locals like like that. He does sell it all over the world. But that rescue remedy just helps de stress the animals, and you might, you probably already know, but I’ll say it anyway. You can put it inside that your flaps towards the tips. So the inter penna, where there is no firm you could dab it on. There. You can do it up to our early if you need to. It’s really not something that’s gonna cause problems. You can put it in the food. You can put it in the water. You can put it on the mouth. If you can’t touch into those places, you can put on any new cast member and sold and anuses a mucous membrane. You put it there, too, but those things are really nice for helping to calm in. In certain situations, it’s not super strong, so it’s if it really stressed out animal. That’s not gonna work necessarily, but it’s gonna help a little bit. Take a little bit of the edge off. Be really careful with essential oils, essential oils are very strong. Always asked the animal first, if it’s okay, I even do that with the rescue remedy. So I’ll hold it up near them if they, like, get away from me than I know. And I really don’t use essential oils on cats. Generally, there are some very, very gentle ones that I use that there’s a products called Mad about organic sets for small critters and cats. And I do use that, um, some other things that are really good to have on hand at home. The homeopathic remedy arnica So homey a path like Monica, not the plant, not the herbal form of Erica is really, really excellent to have on hand. Generally, homeopathy isn’t done in a conventional manner. It’s not for the treatment of things in the way that we do it in. In conventional medicine, however, arnica is sort of like that. Um, it isn’t always the right remedy for these situations, but it often is a good place to start with trauma. So I mean an injury or a severe emotional trauma. It can be the right remedy, and often those things go together. I had a recent patient, too. Um a small dog who was attacked by a big dog very severely. Nearly lost his life. Um, had some severe brain swelling, was taken into the emergency that they treated him really well. Everything went well there. But then he came out like a jellyfish. None of his limbs worked at all. Um, he couldn’t. He holed himself up at all. He could just barely move his head. Anyway, I treated him with homeopathic Arctic. It fit his symptoms that fit everything about him at the time. And during the appointment is here. He was able to hold him hold up after he got it. So a dog running into a wall and I’m getting hit by a car or a dog or cat, any kind of animal having some kind of severe injury. And in that case, not only was it a bodily injury was also emotional trauma because the dog was attacked. Um, he did have to be treated with a different remedy after that, cause that wasn’t to the be all and end all for him with his other round. He’s he’s actually walking quite well. Now, that’s something that I would have in my medicine cabinet. always is homeopath garlic, and you can get it at a lot of different places. I’m usually you’re just gonna get the 30. See, that’s the thing that’s mostly available, like whole foods or a coop. Or, um, maybe a local pharmacy community pharmacy. And Madison carries it, as does contestants on the Willy Street Coop. Doesn’t Madison to, but it’s available to a lot of places on Amazon. You’re usually not gonna find the higher potency. So when you give the lower potency like a 30 see, you can give it pretty frequently if they’re not getting better. So if you give it once and you don’t really see any improvement they’ve been hit by car, you can, of course, you’re heading to the VAT at the same time. Of course you’re right. But, um, you can give it again. You know, even if, like it looks really bad, like they’re not gonna make it. They’re not getting any better. You can give him another dose even 15 minutes later, and they start to look like they’re getting better. You don’t give it again, so this is very different than conventional medicine. You don’t give it if they’re improving and you want to talk to a homeopath, invent to make sure how to proceed once you’ve given it, I usually don’t give one remedy of of a same potency more than three times, and I certainly don’t give if they’re getting better unless they’re stagnating on they’re getting better. You mentioned something was gonna ask about is what is the best way for somebody to find? Ah, home, your path and vet like yourself. That is a great question. So I think it is the a v h dot org’s Academy of Veterinary homey apathy, and they have lists of people in your area. There are also vets who will do it by phone. So, um, you can find a home you passed that way. That’s a really good, good way to find it to find a home in traffic. That, and everyone who is in their list has gone to the pit Karen Institute. And we were very well taught by Dr Pick Karen and other people who went through his course in the classical style of homey apathy, which means you do one remedy at a time when you give a whole bunch of remedies at a time. When you give a mix of remedies, you’re never gonna get a cure. Lots of times they even cancel each other out. So classic homey apathy is not the same as Homo toxicology. So it’s not the same is like trauma. Hell trauma. Hell is just a palliative. Palliative means it treats symptoms but doesn’t cure. And that’s like most of conventional medicine treat symptoms that doesn’t cure and Chinese medicine. There is pout, palliative medicine, and sometimes it’s curative, too. So, um, it’s it’s variable. And I have had some cancer cures with that with Chinese medicine and some other things. But I’ve had a lot of palliative situations where he can to keep them on herbal medicine and things like that, too. But sometimes you just do acupuncture in it, and they’re better, especially young animals, young, pretty healthy animals with just a gastrointestinal problem or something like that. Okay, this is this is also interesting. And there’s I think you and I could talk for hours about this stuff. Is there, um, is there anything else that you want to share with our listeners before we wrap up? You know what I would I would really want you to think about questioning everything in questioning conventional, too. Don’t just accept everything that’s said, you know, question it. I mean, you know, don’t be mean, but question, um, say, is there another way we could do this? Do we have other options? Can we do a tighter instead of vaccinating? Make sure to not overdo your vaccines all at once. Is, um you can really I see this is a big problem. That ice see a lot in my practice is when a whole bunch of vaccines are given. It wants to animals, especially animals that are not healthy, Which is exactly how we are not how we were taught not to do things in vast school. So people who do that they’re not following what they were taught in vet school. You never give a sick animal vaccines ever because your body can’t handle it. So the body either stops responding to the illness, and then that goes downhill or they can’t even respond to the vaccine. So it’s pointless to even vaccinate them at the time. I don’t give a bunch of vaccines at once. Give one at a time of possible do tighter testing to make sure that they actually need the vaccination. Um, these are all things to really be thinking about. That’s great advice. Well, thank you so much. It was a pleasure to talk to you today. A pleasure to talk with you, too. Thanks for tuning into today’s podcast. If you’re not already a member, join the Air P A. 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