Founded in 1949, the Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region is the largest animal welfare group for homeless and abused animals in Southern Colorado. Their mission is to create a compassionate community where animals and people are cared for and valued. Passionate and dedicated staff care for animals in distress, provide medical care for abused and injured animals, reunite lost pets with their owners, find loving homes for homeless animals, and investigate animal cruelty and enforce animal ordinances.
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The Humane Society of the Pikes Peak region was founded in 1949. It is the largest nonprofit animal shelter in southern Colorado as an open admission shelter no animal has ever turned away, And because of that, they held nearly 28,000 homeless and abused animals every year. The staff of the HSPR are dedicated to more than just caring for the animals they take in. They also provide medical care to animals in need. Reunite lost pets with their owners, fine animals, new loving homes as well as investigating animal cruelty. Hi, Kate. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Of course. I hope your day is going well and thank you for joining me today. Thank you so much for having me. I hope yours is going All is well. Yes, it is. Thank you. Okay, So you are the community relations specialist for the Humane Society of the Pikes Peak region. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay, so let’s jump right into it. Can you tell me a little bit about your organization and how you got started there? The Humane Society, the Pace Peak region was founded originally in 1949 and Colorado Springs. And the goal was really to just save more lives and find homes for homeless animals in the community. Since then, we’ve expanded greatly, and we now have two campuses on in Colorado Springs and one in Pueblo. And then we perform animal law enforcement for El Paso County, Pueblo County, Douglas County and Centennial County. You so pretty expansive area and sudden cholera. That’s great. Yeah, it’s definitely astounding to see how we’ve grown over the past 70 years. And we actually did just celebrate our 70th anniversary last month. So it’s been exciting. But our mission is really to create a compassionate community where animals and people are cared for in valued. And that’s our overarching This mission statement, which can be found on our Web site and a lot of our social media platforms as well. And in terms of our goal, it’s to put socially cut interest sheltering an action by evaluating each animal as an individual and giving it the best possible outcome to save more lives than ever before. Yes, and that’s very important. You know, Saving lives is the top priority. Thank you for covering all of that in congratulations on your 70th year. You know, that’s a huge accomplishment in the fact that you guys have expanded from one campus to adding another one. That’s great news. Yeah, it’s definitely been an exciting time and over the past two years to we’ve expanded our physical shelters as well, and so we can house more animals, and we even started up a mobile veterinary clinic. So it’s been lots of growth and lots of community support. I mean, we really couldn’t do it without the love and support of the Colorado Springs and Pueblo communities. So I know that you had mentioned that you guys have a lot of love and support from your community. So, aside from them, how is the community in your organization’s area? Does it have specific challenges. How do you guys overtake those if there are so it definitely has challenges, but there’s also some a lot of positives as well. So both Pueblo and Colorado Springs are her incredibly filled with animal loving advocates. And in everywhere you go in both communities and stock friendly, this and pet friendly that. And so it’s definitely a great place to be working in an animal shelter. And this is the one of the greatest things to me about My job is that I’m constantly surrounded by volunteers, donors, employees and community members who would go to astounding lengths to be a voice for these voiceless animals. At the same time, they’ll both communities also have areas that are kind of more impoverished and struck by financial hardship. And so a lot of the times this leads to improper medical care, which, of course, then leads to things like unplanned letters and disease and overpopulation and all of these factors then drive more animals into our shelter. And that doesn’t even kind of touch on the fact that people who can’t necessarily afford to fix their fences or microchip their pets or license them and things like that so those air one of the challenges that we really see in our communities purity hs, PPR. We do believe that animals can still be provided loving homes even if their owner struggle financially. We see animals as an extension of the families of a family member, and we don’t believe in what’s sometimes called the poverty penalty. Right. So you have animals. You having heard ship taking care of them different things like that. We don’t feel that you should always be penalized for such things because it is a family member. And so that’s really why we started The wellness wagon are Mobile Veterinary Clinic, and we’re bringing this wagon’s toa areas in most need of low cost veterinarian care. So we’re offering low cost space, neuters and vaccines, and this helps us keep the pets healthy, safe and out of the shelter and in their homes. That’s awesome. So you mentioned the wellness wagon and is this something that you guys do on a daily basis? Is there certain days that you guys offer service is through that? Do you guys go to that community specifically, we actually just rolled it out a couple months ago. Thanks to a wonderful grant from the Petco Foundation that we are eternally grateful for. What we are. Spending two days in Colorado Springs in two days and pueblo per week in areas that we like to call veterinary desert. So areas burger aren’t local veterinarians, and you have to travel more, and so you don’t have access to that kind of care. If you want to see our specific events and lay out of events, it kind of changes on a weekly basis just based on what’s going on in the community. You can go to our website hs PPR dot org’s and that has a layout of all of our events. But primarily, right now we’re rolling out our vaccination clinics. Choice. We can call our out of Springs and twice a week and Pablo and then once a month. As right now, we’re doing low cost and gutters in both communities. Although we do have two campuses and are serving two different communities, we do think of ourselves as one large, cohesive organization because we don’t want Pueblo, for example, which is a smaller community. To miss out on Resource is that Colorado Springs has because it’s a larger community. So by really making it one larger umbrella we can share, the resource is and bring things like the mobile unit and volunteers in different service is like our veterinary care across both communities. Equally when you were talking about it, that’s one thing that kind of stood out to me was even though that you have the two separate campuses, it seemed like you guys had one unit, which is great because, like you said, Pueblo may not be as biggest Colorado Springs, but that’s no excuse to kind of limit them or what they can do. So I know that you mentioned that you guys have the wellness wagon, and that’s sort of like a program that you guys offer. Do you have any other programs? I noticed a few on the website. I noticed that you guys have some really cool, intriguing programs that stood out. We really d’oh! And the big question is where to start with this guy. Yes, we recently you, in the past couple of years have really worked to improve our behavior program. So in each campus location, we have a certified professional dog trainer who is knowledge assess, meaning that they had to do the research and pass a test and make sure that they really know what they’re talking about, if you will. And they really work with dogs to modify their behavior and make sure that they’re having things like Good Colonel presentation so that you know, when people are walking by the kennels and trying to pick out a dog to visit with, their not just looked over because they might be a little bit more excitable and bark more things like that and things like having what we like to call four on the floor. So not jumping all over people when you’re visiting with different things like that, because the ultimate goal here is that when an animal leaves the shelter, we don’t want to see it back in the Show yourself behavior program really helps toe make sure that these animals were successful when they move into their new homes. That’s good now does every dog that comes into your Guiza’s care kind of get that same training, so it really depends on the animal. Every dog that comes in is evaluated based through customer service, and every single person who handles that dog does put in behavior notes into our database and then, based on what we’re seeing, will determine whether or not and needs a full behavior evaluation. So, for example, your stereotypical golden retriever most likely doesn’t need a behavior evaluation just because of the breed in the nature of that type of dog. However, if it comes in from an owner and the owner said that they were experiencing some type of behavior issue with it in the home, then we would put it through our more formal behavior evaluation process. But for example, you know we could get in a Chihuahua, which doesn’t seem like, you know, a very intimidating animal who’s a bit yappy or a little feisty, if you will. And so that dog will be treated just like any other in our behavior program and really taught to be a little bit more calm. Have four on the floor. I have had our cattle presentation and all those good things because we aren’t biased by a breed or anything like that. We just want every single animal toe find a successful home. So you guys obviously clearly don’t have any grade restrictions or anything of that nature correct, and we do not support any breed specific legislation as well. Like I said with a socially conscious sheltering, we evaluate every single animal as an individual and determine its availability and safety for adoption. Based on what we’re seeing in that specific animal, it has no bearing on breed or anything else like that. We think every animal could make a loving pet, and that’s very true. I agree with you on another sons because a lot of people, I mean in my area, specifically, a lot of people are buried. Well, we’re looking for this type of breed, and that’s still hard cause, especially sometimes I’ve noticed the shelters they’ll actually put like Marie’s. They’ll have like a German shepherd of the day or something like that. It’s hard because I in my eyes, I’m like, Well, there’s other dogs there, right? So I think it’s great to not put a label. I guess you could say your pets because the breed really doesn’t matter, right? Right, exactly. And we would love to move forward in a way that where we didn’t have to specifically labeled by breed. But the fact of the matter is people are looking for this reads to adopt, and it also plays into our last and found database. So when you’re searching through our system for your last German shepherd, you know if we have it in eras a pitbull who you have so we have to be ableto still, try and label them as correctly as we can. You know, we are a non profit. It’s not like we can up in DNA test everything I get through our doors. So a lot of the times, you know, we see ah, beautiful, black haired short coat, little puppy and say, you know, we think this is a lab we like to say We’re calling this a lab because like I said, we’re not DNA testing these animals. However, based on what we know about the breed, this is what we’re seeing. But we do have a lot of other programs. One was the wellness wagon, which I know that we touched on our mobile veterinary unit. But we also have veterinary service is in both of our shelters that are open to the public or low cost pay, neuters and vaccinations as well. And then one of my favorite programs is our tea and our program or trap neuter return. And it’s a free program that allows community cat colony managers, which are volunteers with our humane society, to humanely trap cats in their neighborhood, bring them to us where will spay, neuter and vaccinate them. And then we’ll return them to the community at no charge, as long as we’re seeing that the cats thriving. So it’s healthy. You know it’s not a good way. It’s not riddled with disease or anything like that. And so this helps to really prevent disease and overpopulation in these communities to keep population under control and make sure that they’re still thriving and healthy. And I think a common misconception is that feral cats could be pets, But we like to compare them or two, maybe the raccoons of your neighborhood. They are outside outdoor animals, and they don’t want to play with you. And in fact, trying to play with them might put you at risk. So that’s why we help. You know, these cat colony managers get these safe and humane traps, bring them in and, you know, make sure that they’re not spreading Rabies and different things like that of her other programs. There were two more I wanted to touch on, and one was our daily programmer. Animal law enforcement. So we do provide animal law enforcement in all the communities we serve, which allows us to investigate in charge cases of animal cruelty and the black bring lost pets safely into our shelter until they can be reunited with their families and then also protect the community from aggressive and dangerous animals as well. So our animal law enforcement team this politics extensive and they really helped Thio, you know, make sure everyone in our community is healthy, safe and happy. And then finally, we have a very extensive volunteer program looking into this. Since the volunteer program started here a few years back about 30 years ago, we have volunteers have saved us over $6.5 million. How, yes, and we actually just had a large event called Platinum Pause Volunteers, which celebrated quite a few of our volunteers who have reached over 1000 hours of service for us and these air volunteers from all walks of life, they could be helping in numerous different ways, whether it’s volunteering at our summer day camp programs with Children are helping to clean the kennels air, helping to walk the dogs or even fostering the newborn kittens in their own home. You know, if you like animals, we will definitely have a way for. Do you guys have a lot of volunteers that do the fostering? Yes, we d’oh, I actually a lot of our employees. Foster is also volunteers. And you know, Foster is one of our biggest programs because we get so many different cues and puppies and things in like that. And it’s a fun way to kind of scratch that itch toe with a puppy for a little while without necessarily taking on. You know, the 15 20 year commitment of the dog, exactly. One of the programs that I couldn’t wanted to jump in and ask you about was the camp whiskers and wags that called to me a little bit because it is all about like the kids and everything, and, you know, they are our future. I think it’s important that they’re apart of something. So I thought it was great when I saw that. Can you tell me a little bit about that? Camp whiskers and wags is a weeklong summer program, and it goes all summer long, so you confine up for different weeks in the summer to attend. But it’s broken down by age group as well. And really, the goal is to teach empathy towards animals so you can learn about animal handling. You can learn about different types of animals, but really, once you start to get that compassion and empathy piece, it really goes a long way because it’s something that goes into preventing future animal abuse. But also we try to take it and apply it on a larger scale to so think about the different breed biases that are in our society. And if you start teaching kids, you cannot treat one pitiful based on the actions of another. That can be directly a pride to how we treat in respect, others as humans as well. So I think that’s a really great way that we have of approaching those kind of touchy subjects and teaching love, empathy and compassion in our community. And so that’s one of the things I really like. And then, as our youth, education and manager just put it so gently to me, the other day. Like I said, we have a lot of areas that’s a little bit more impoverished, or there’s some gang issues as well. There are a lot of kids in our community who have never known a nice dog, and when you take a step back and think about that, that is just so heartbreaking because they’re such a part of our daily lives on our families in so many different ways. And so if this gives them an opportunity to learn that animals can be nice and can be companions and can be loving and that we need to treat them with that type of respect as well, there are people out there. They don’t have that same mentality. It’s hard. So what would you say is the challenges for your organization? There’s a few. So one of our primary challenge is the emphasis on save rates, so Lives saved as an open admission shelter that also conducts all of the animal law enforcement. It’s really important to know that a we never turn away an animal and need and be. That also means that we get the most aggressive in most severe medical cases that our community sees. And so where other organizations might be able to more hand pick the animals that can come into their shelter. It’s a lot easier to reach higher numbers of lives, saved rates. But if an animal is gravely ill, we don’t want to prolong that suffering. And if it’s an unsafe adoption candidate, we don’t want it to sit alone in a kennel for longer than it has to, because it’s not a good quality of life. So we, you know, we really take socially conscious sheltering and put it in action in this way because we look at the needs of each individual animal and then to determine what the best possible solution is. And these can include, you know, adoption, medical treatment, the trap, new to return behavior modification, foster care transfer to another organization that might have a stronger behavior program or, in some cases, humane euthanasia. But we think that by working towards an arbitrary savory, it’s unintentionally results in a lot of undue suffering for an animal. So say it. They want you to reach in 90% live really straight, which is definitely a great cause and a great goal. But at what cost, you know, is an animal that’s really suffering greatly from medical and in a lot of pain, having to stay alive longer than it needs to. Or is an animal who is incredibly unsafe for adoption going to be released, back out into the community and pose a risk to the people that we started. So those air tech kind of things that we have to consider when we think about the use things, and so we really don’t like to work towards an arbitrary number. That kind of the no kill movement has really pushed forward in Colorado. Yeah, those were some tough decisions, you know, that need to be made. One of the challenges were really kind of facing Is cat overpopulation specifically in Pablo? There’s a lot of feral cats that just kind of keep reproducing. So what we’ve been doing is targeting zip codes where we hear the most complaints about the cat population and bringing the wellness wagon to those ZIP codes to be able to do our trap neuter return program there, and on the flip side of that, to pet problems are often people problems, too. So one of the challenges that we often see is people not knowing what to do or where to turn or howto open. So we’re trying to encourage the community to really understand that the pet problem is everyone’s business. Animals in our community is our community problem. And so you’re seeing someone of the broken fence, you know, help your neighbor fix it so that they don’t necessarily have to give up their dog. Or, if you’re seeing a lot of cats join our trap neuter return program. It’s really simple. And we make it a Z Z is possible for you are you know, if you’re seeing a lot of intact animals, tell your friends about our wellness wagon in our mobile veterinary clinic. You know the best way to prevent homeless help pets is to prevent these unplanned letters disease and runaways. So I know that you mentioned in there, too, that you guys work with other organizations as well. If needy. Oh yes, transfer partners air the bread and butter of what makes us successful. You know, over the past summer, we had a hoarding case where we have to take in 135 pats about 100 which needed to be treated for ringworm. And if you know anything about ringworm, it’s a fungus that produces spores that can then be contagious in the air. So we do sulphur lime, dip each cat at least twice than grow cultures to see if they’re testing positive murdering room, which takes a couple of weeks. In the meantime, everyone who comes into contact with these cats needs to be in personal protective equipment. So the giant marshmallow suits of the toll of that this took on us was tens of thousands of dollars and extreme amounts of time and stress on our providers in our animal care staff. And luckily, we have a community animal response team, which is part of our volunteer network as well. That came in to help out a lot, but if it weren’t for our transfer partners, we don’t know what we would have done. They helped us transfer out over 200 cats out of our building to make room for these more sick cats and provide us with the time space and resource is to treat them physically. I mean, we actually just put the last ones of this batch up for adoption and so we’re extremely excited. Not only that, we’re able to take these cats, which a lot. We’re in pretty grave condition and rehabilitate them, but that you’re getting adopted into loving homes. And it’s all really, thanks to a lot of our transfer partners. I love that you shared about the transfer those cats and saving them and getting them ready for adoption and taking care of them. Would you say that that is one of the memorable stories that you have? Or do you mind sharing one with us? Sure, My most memorable story is actually how I came to adopt my own dog, Frank E. It was brought into our bubble oh, shelter for animal law enforcement after multiple reports came in of a dog being thrown from a car. Oh, you know. So we get this little guy in, and by little, I do not mean little giant Great Dane pit bull mix. Oh, little by no means we get him in, and at the time he was much littler than he should have been. And he can’t really put any weight on one of his hind limbs. He’s lost most of his hair from a severe case of mange in a skin infection that went untreated for a very long time. And so instantly I just kind of connected with this dog. Couldn’t believe how much love and affection he had for people, despite what people had done to him. You know, I do a lot of our social media for the Humane Society, and so one of the perks of my job is I can do a lot from my phone, so I would do a lot of work from his kennel on my phone while he just kind of laid on my lap while he waited surgery. And in that time I was able to fundraise on Facebook for him. And I’m so grateful for the community because we raised over $4000 for his care and that got him a new hip, which he’s doing wonderfully now. He has all of his hair back, his main just completely gone through me, fostering him and going through a lot of the physical therapy. And he is just out here living his best life with his sister Fiona, so much so that he was able to stand on his hind legs just the other night to steal a pork tenderloin off my kitchen table. So he is definitely fully recovered and back to normal puppy behavior, which is what I love to see that it’s so amazing. This is my favorite question. But I actually because, you know, it just sits there, you know, from the start, you just Oh, and you just get that sad emotion and more, you know, you build up to it and how he’s doing so much better now. And what really pulled me was that you were able to work from your phone and you still stayed with him while he was in his kennel. And I love that story. Thank you so much. So, like, I know that you, you know, you’ve talked a lot about adoption and animals going into loving homes. Do you guys have, like, an adoption process that you guys go through to ensure that the pet is going to a good home? We have a unique advantage of providing animal law enforcement in the communities that we serve, So every time someone comes in to our shelter, they meet with a pet matchmaker. So we go ahead and explain any of the nuances of the pet that they’re looking to adopt, whether it be a dog that’s very excitable or a cat that has a tendency to be aroused really quickly. We sit them down, make sure that they’re going to be a fit with the home, and then we get their information and we run it through our database because again we provide animal on person, see if they’ve ever, you know, been subject to any type of animal cruelty or anything like that, or have a prior history of owning a lot of dangerous dogs, different things like that, so that we can really do a thorough check to make sure that this animal is goingto estate home. However, if they get the animal home and realize it’s not a fit, we do encourage them to bring it back. You know, we’re a no judgment zone. We want to find animals, homes that are best suited for them, when where they can live as happy as possible. So if you need to bring an animal back, we completely understand. A lot of times, you know people have small Children or a cat. The dog doesn’t get along or things like that. There are so many different reasons for giving up an animal that we really try to take any type of judgment out of that I need. Just a couple weeks ago, someone brings some pets in because they had to cross the country to get medical care and different things like that. And not only would that be hard on the cat, but also it’s a financial burden to take on medical care for yourself, let alone take care of another creature in that time. So we just want to make it clear that we’re a community resource and a safe haven for these animals, and that it’s got to be such and got wrenching, difficult decision to surrender an animal. But that’s why we’re here and the average pit in our shelters adopted within three days of becoming available for adoption. So we have a lot of community support, a lot of people looking to adopt, so don’t think that your animal’s gonna come into our shelter and just be waiting around for Mom’s. They’re different things like that because it’s really not the case. That’s great to hear, because that’s not always the case, you know, So does your organization have any future goals? Or what’s your vision, like for your organization in the future? Our goal will always be to be able to save more lives than ever before. If there’s really anything I know to be true about the Humane Society of the Pig Speak Region or HS PPR, that change is constant. We’re always working towards new ways to save more lives than ever before. With that being said, you know, we’re recently back into our Pueblo shelter, and so we’re kind of getting things restarted. But our volunteer program is expected to be up and running again with it in the first quarter of the new year. So many people that are wanting to get involved, we’d love to have you because, you know, the more volunteers we have, the more lives we can save. And then we also have plans to have our wellness wagon out in Colorado Springs and Pueblo twice a week for each, but offering more of those low cost and neuters and more events and being able to target areas more directly and get the word out so that it’s being utilized. The best of its ability We hope that that works out for you because it seems like you guys are on the right track and getting it up and running the way you guys envision it to be running. Do you guys have any future plans for possibly opening up any more campuses? Not at this time. We are primarily serving the Pikes Peak region, but we do love being in Pablo, and we love our Colorado Springs locations. But in the meantime, we’re really just working to kind of maintain our facilities and always expand. And again, if that means like better kennels or expanding our current facilities, different things like that, those air always things that we’re looking at right now. We don’t have any concrete plans for solid expansion into any other communities, so like it. But I’m a doctor or anybody wants to get in contact with the organization, whether it be volunteering, how would somebody go about doing that? So you could go to a chess PPR dot org’s, which is our website? You could visit us on Facebook, where Humane Society, the Pake speak region, Instagram and Twitter. It’s humane society. Pikes Peak. Our Colorado Springs phone number is 71947317 or one or pueblo phone number is 7195443005 and our animal law enforcement phone number is 7193028798 That’s great information to share because people sometimes need that little push of Hey, this is how you can get in contact with us. So if I wanted to adopt a pet from either the Colorado Springs in the Pueblo location, can I fill out an application? Or how does that work for our online? All adoptions need to take place in person, but you can check out all of our available animals at hs PPR dot org’s slash adopt and then our locations are at 6 10 Abbott Lane in Colorado Springs and 4600 Eagle Ridge Place in Pueblo. Okay, so is there anything else you’d like to share with us before we wrap things up primarily just that we’re so grateful to be in the communities that we serve and that we really couldn’t do all that we do without their support and help, and that every year in September, we host Pa October purpose, which is a dog friendly craft, your festival and dog walk event. It’s really the only one of its kind in southern Colorado. In all of the profits go to support our mission to save more animal lives. So be on the lookout for it in 2020 because it’s gonna be a park in good time. That sounds awesome. Sounds like so much fun. And I also noticed that you guys had an event coming up tomorrow, actually. Barkin Bar. Yes, we do have a barking bar in our Colorado Springs location, where you can do Bar Castle with your dog and all of the proceeds. There will also go to the Humane Society, the Pikes Peak region and our care for our animals. So you guys do events. Often we do it during the summer. We have a lot of what we call our happy tails happy hours, and so we partner with a lot of local breweries, restaurants and bars, and so that 10% of every purchase the profits go back to our Humane society. And that’s a lot of fun. In Colorado Springs in the spring, we have what’s called the fur ball and it’s in black tie event tal of like silent auctions and dancing and great dinner and music and fun and all proceeds again go to benefit us. And then in Pueblo in the fall, we have what’s called the Whisker Ball, and it’s a black tie event as well. Very someone of the fur ball. But the fun thing about the Pueblo one is that it’s actually dog friendly. So you Kenbrell thing her dog to a black tie event. So it’s a blast. Do you guys post photos about it like how it went? Have you guys go about doing that for every event will have a Facebook event on our Facebook page, and we’ll also put it on our website when it’s coming up. And then we’ll document a lot throughout the night and for at the event and will post a recap of funds raised the following day. Or, you know, if it’s on a Saturday, probably the following business, if you will, just to say thank you so much to all of our supporters because, like I said, you know, so much of our funding comes from donors in these types of events, and we really couldn’t do what we do without the support and participation from the community. That’s the goal of them. Right is for everybody to have fun, but also help the shelter in the same aspect. Exactly. And just thinking on this page of anything toe add. So we’re doing a campaign with Subaru here in Colorado Springs. If you go to Heuberger Subaru any time in the month of November and December and you purchase a car, $300 gets to go to a nonprofit organization of your choice from a list that they have. But we are on that list. And so if you are looking to kind of give back and purchase a car, this is kind of the best way to do it, because it’s not only do you get to have the vehicle of your dreams, but you also get to donate to a good cause. In the meantime, yes, and thank you for sharing that because, you know, I would hope her audience would take advantage of that if they’re in your area, because it is so important to donate to you guys. So thank you for pointing that out. I hope that is successful for you guys. That’s a cool thing to have. Yeah, we’re really excited and really grateful for Subaru for this opportunity. They even gave us some super chew out barks. And they are Subaru Outback looking dog toys The hell out on. They’re adorable. Huge. Okay. All right. Kate, will I know I’ve had you on for a little while. If there’s anything else that you’d like to share, I’d love to hear it. I think we’re in good shape. Thank you so much for this opportunity. Of course. Kate, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us and giving us a little bit more insight on your organization and how you guys are working with your community. I think it’s great what you guys were doing. I truly d’oh. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And it’s been such a pleasure talking with you and listening to your other pot costs as well. It’s a really great platform to discuss all the issues that face the animal welfare industry and understanding how other organizations are working to overcome them. Because I think the key to success is working together. Exactly. And that’s that’s our hopes for this is we hope that other organizations can take what they’ve learned from your organization and the stuff that you shared. We hope that that can help another organization on their journey as well. Yes, as do we. So thank you.
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