Animal Rescue of the Week: Episode 39 – Long Island Rabbit Rescue

Long Island Rabbit Rescue Group is an all-volunteer, nonprofit organization on Long Island, New York. They make it their mission to rescue rabbits in need whether from abuse, neglect or abandonment. Along with showing them love and care they also give medical treatment as needed as well as spay or neuter them. Everyone involved with the rescue is dedicated to bringing attention to rabbits by educating the public on the special care and health needs of domestic rabbits so they can better care for their companions.


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Long Island Rabbit Rescue Group is an all-volunteer organization in New York. They are dedicated to rescuing rabbits and ensuring that they live long, happy lives. In addition to rescuing abandoned, neglected and abused domestic rabbits, they do their best to help families privately re-home their rabbits if they feel they can no longer care for them. The staff and volunteers also worked very hard to educate their community on the importance of health needs and special care of rabbits to ensure that they are well taken care of.

Today we have Mary and Denise and Katie at the Long Island Rabbit Rescue in New York. Hi. Welcome, ladies. Hi. Thank you. So why don’t you get us started by telling us what each of you does at the Rabbit Rescue and kind of a little bit about your organization? Okay, well, I’ll start. My name is Mary Ann Maier and I guess I co-founded the Long Island Rabbit Rescue. I had to look this up. It was around 2005. We’re an offshoot of the House Rabbit Society, which is a very well-known international organization, and we started our own Long Island branch of Rabbit Rescue almost 15 years ago. Wow. Denise, who is our self-titled—self-proclaimed Claims Coordinator, I call her my lieutenant, my general–depending on the day. I’ll let Denise introduce herself. Hi Denise Bertolotti, teacher by day, animal rescuer all other hours and sometimes sneaking in between classes as well. I handle the emails, the communications with the outside world. Some of the social media, coordinate volunteers, schedule the adoptions. I say, I would be a great personal assistant. And then we have Katie, who is amazing. Katie Scarr has been another one of my right hand people for the last two years. Two and 1/2 years. Katie started out doing the standard volunteer work that we asked for, which is helping with the bunnies. But Katie’s helping with a lot more too. A graphic designer by training and by profession. Katie has also been helping else us out a lot, of our marketing materials. Awesome.

So how did you guys kind of get started with this? It sounds like you all have very different backgrounds. But, you know, you all came together for the rabbit rescue. I got started when I first got started with rabbits. That’s the way a lot of people do, which is by accident. I think not too many people in rescue get into it on purpose. I found a rabbit in my neighborhood. I started reaching up for help and I found the House Rabbit Society. So I basically volunteered for the New York City chapter of the House Rabbit Society for seven years or so before we started the Long Island group. At that point, we were finding people who wanted to volunteer with us. And that’s how Denise found us.

Yes. So I Denise again wanted a rabbit, and so did my other half. And when we moved in together, we Googled Rabbit Solomon Islands. And the first thing that came up that time is a breeder. Now we have Katie working on our SEO. So rescue’s the first thing that comes up. But when we purchased two rabbits, unfortunately, got a lot of misinformation from the breeder. Quickly learned that we needed to Google a little bit deeper. Found out about rescue. I went to one of their education events at a local pet supply store and signed up to volunteer. And here we are about seven and a half years later. And I work on rescue stuff every single day, and I absolutely love it. It has changed my life in such a beautiful way. When someone is really good, a rescue will find new roles for them, on a daily basis. There’s always something else to be done. The list is never ending. Yes.

Yeah, and Katie, who’s about to tell us how she got into rabbits? She can certainly attest to that. I adopted a rabbit in 2015 and when I moved out to Long Island, I just wanted to volunteer. Sent an email to Long Island rescue and they stuck me in. And I haven’t stopped volunteering ever since. Yeah, that’s great. Kind of like what you’re saying about, you know, finding a role for someone. There’s so many things to be done. And like you said, if you find someone who’s really passionate and great at what they do, it’s pretty easy to find something for them in a rescue. So that’s great. It’s true. There’s so many roles, even roles that you don’t foresee. Someone shows that they’re talented at something. Maybe they’re a chef. Maybe there a, I don’t know, a NASCAR driver. We’ll find something for you to do. Definitely, yeah.

So why don’t you start off by telling us a little bit about basic care that rabbits require? I for one, I don’t know much about rabbits, and so I would love to learn about their diet, their housing just kind of the basics of what there is to know. So we’re a little different from cats, much like a cat, and that you have to love him and pay attention to him. But that’s where the similarities end. Do you want to go and answer this one Denise?

Sure, I mean, and sometimes we jokingly call rabbits vegan cats. I know sometimes the word vegan could get people a little crazy. But as far as their diet goes, bunnies really screwed things up for the public perception. Carrots are not their number one food. In fact, there are sometimes strangely given very minimally. About 80% of their diet should be grass hays. They should be given that unlimited quantities and access to it. 24/7, 365. Of course they need clean water, preferably out of a bowl or heavy crock, as opposed to the water bottle you might see in Pet Supply Stores. Not the most easy way for rabbits to drink, much more natural for them to drink out of a bowl. Most rabbits get leafy greens and some herbs as salad, unless their stomachs don’t handle it well. They have very sensitive digestive systems, which I’m sure Mary and Katie will talk about. And then I mentioned carrots as a treat, or sometimes a tiny piece of banana, a tiny piece of apple as a treat, You always want to avoid anything with nuts, seeds, artificial dyes, anything that looks like junk food. Even if there’s a rabbit on the package, it’s not good for them.

I find that the biggest thing that people don’t know is about the hay and how much hay rabbits actually need. As I said before, I bought my rabbits from a breeder not knowing any better at the time at the breeder told us that they just need a little bit of hay sometimes. Well, without the unlimited hay, they won’t live that long, but it comes down through for the diet is fresh, clean, water, lots of hay, a little bit of veggies and even less treats. And pellets. Oh, and rabbit pellets. Oh, yeah, that too. Well, I mean, it’s sort of the go to, and yes, we do believe in feeding rabbits pellets. There are different brands out there available at pet stores. They all have basic trace minerals and vitamins. They sort of form the holy Trinity of the rabbit diet, which should be. The hay is there, as Denise said, in unlimited quantities. Leafy green vegetables and rabbit pellets. Those are the three basic components of a diet. That’s really interesting because, like you said, it’s very commercialized with, like Bugs Bunny, where you see them with the carrots. And, you know, I had no idea that they drink out of bowls instead of those, like hanging feeder or water things. So that’s very interesting. And I think a lot of people don’t really realize that.

The domestic rabbit in our country they weren’t always pets. Mankind has sort of had cats and dogs a lot alongside him or her for millennia. But domestic rabbits are sort of newcomers, and they started out being livestock. We had domesticated rabbits because we wanted meat and fur. So like other livestock animals, barnyard animals, rabbits were kept outside in a barn or in hutches. They lived on wire flooring to enable all of their waste products to just fall conveniently to the ground. Less work for the farmer to do. Bottles attached to the side of those wire hutches made it convenient, kept the flies out. It kept the rabbits from accidentally getting food or fecal material in the bowl. It kept the rabbits from tipping them over, especially if you’re gonna be packing rabbits into hutches, dozens of them and they’re going to be getting into fights and humping each other and knocking their water bowls over. That’s not convenient.

So a lot of the stuff that still see today in pet stores is holdovers from the time when we kept rabbits as livestock. And, you know, in the last 20—30 years or so, people are not only keeping rabbits as pets, but they’re keeping rabbits as pets indoors. So the gear and the equipment that we’re seeing in pet stores is—it’s changing, thankfully. The Internet is helping us communicate that things should be changed. And much like I said before with treats, just because there’s a rabbit on package, is not necessarily good for them. Same thing with housing. I’m gonna toss to Katie to talk about the housing that we do recommend. But you’ll see if you go to your typical pet supply store a small plastic bottom cage, and they’ll be a picture of a hamster, a guinea pig in a rabbit on the outside of box. And that is not big enough nor comfortable enough for your domestic rabbits. So Katie could tell you about what we do recommend.

So for rabbits, you recommend extra large dog crates or extra large puppy pen with a nice plush rug underneath them, and a cat litter box, depending on the size of the rabbit, used newspaper on the bottom and tons and tons of hay on the top to keep their feet dry. No cat litter, hay on the litter box. Some people use yesterday’s news or feline pine, which is also safe for rabbits, but just using newspaper on the bottom of the hay, we found, has been the best way to go. And you know what’s interesting to me to is a lot of times this plastic bottom cages that aren’t big enough anyway are often two or three times the price of a dog crate. So I feel badly when people not only buy the wrong thing, but really waste their money on items that are not ample for their rabbits. So it’s always good to do research. Yeah.

So do you guys do anything with education then? Because it sounds like there are a lot of misconceptions about what rabbits need. And, you know, maybe the public needs more of that education. We probably more education than anything else, especially since Denise has been at the helm. Denise coming on board within the last seven or eight years, kind of at the time where Instagram and Facebook are coming on so strong as medians, as tools to communicate, we are able to educate so many more people than we’d ever be able to reach. We have Facebook reach, and followers and friends and fans from all over the world, really not just our local area. And Katie and I, both being former communication design professionals. Education is so important, the fewer animals out there that need to be rescued, the easier our job is. We don’t have to run around rescuing them all. If we can prevent bad decisions from happening. If we can prevent people from making bad purchases, bad choices, there’s the ballgame right there.

And as cliche as it will sound, the number one reason with that people reach out to us if they don’t want their rabbit anymore, that they purchased from of a breeder or a pet store is that their kid got tired of it. It was a Christmas gift, birthday gift, Easter gift and their kids’ just not taking care of it anymore. Just like they abandoned the Barbie doll or the skateboard a few months after they got it. Same thing with what they thought was going to be their kids’ rabbit. So I would say as far as, the being the one who answers the bulk of the emails for the group. I spend a lot of time educating people on what they could be doing better on behalf of their rabbit or even talking people out of adopting, which sounds counter-intuitive and what we do. But we’ll get people who email and say “my two-year-old child is begging for a rabbit.” We know that although they look cute and fluffy, rabbits don’t to get picked up, they certainly don’t like to get carried around, their fragile prey animals. And they’re just not right for most children. So we do spend a lot of time doing our best to gently explain to people and combat a lot of myths.

Yeah, that kind of reminds me also of Easter time when you know everyone’s buying rabbits or bunnies for their kids or their loved one, and they don’t really do their research and find out like what a rabbit actually requires that it’s actually a pet. And it’s a commitment. It’s not just like a novelty gift. Yeah, absolutely. Katie and Denise, we recently redesigned our entire website because we get so much traffic. And because we get so many visitors to our Facebook page and traffic to our website, we thought it was really worth it to spend the time and make it as an effective communications tool as possible. We find that if we hear a problem come about three times, we’ll create some sort of a flyer or a poster or page on the website or something to help quickly and effectively communicate a point that people need to see.

Let’s talk a little bit about the programs that you guys offer. Looks like you have adoptions and then also a fostering program. So we do adoptions. And when an adopter is approved, we also teach them basic care lessons, how to lift the rabbit, how to cut their nails, how to properly groom the rabbit, and how to take a rabbit’s temperature. So we well equipped our adopters with everything they need to go off in the world, and have their new furry family member with them. So much like our adoption approval process. There is a full on screening and a home visit. We want to make sure our—or the rabbits that we rescue and helped to rescue are always getting a step up and upgrade, hopefully some forever love for the potentially 10 to 12 years that they’ll live. We require adopters and Fosters to keep the rabbits indoors. 24/7, 365. In our environment, there’s just too many potential dangers outside, so no outside playtime or living.

We do have high standards because the rabbits deserve that. Like I said, we’re rescuing them from horrible situations, from being abandoned in local wooded preserves, being left out in the streets to fend for themselves, which they cannot do. And we’re working to have so many more happy stories to balance that out and then on book we were talking about before the educations. Hopefully, have this happened less and less, the rabbits are abandoned, neglected and abused. So we’re talking about programs. As far as, so, the fostering, adopting we do education events in local libraries at local vendor fair type situation in local pet supply stores, where we’ll go and set up a table, answer questions, usually hear some crazy stories from people who had rabbits when they were little and all the things they did wrong. So we will often get people come up to us and say, “can you take my rabbit?” And then “no.”

One thing I don’t think we mentioned before is that we don’t have a shelter facility. We operate all out of private foster homes. We’ve been approached many times asking is our goal, one day to get a shelter facility, and it’s interesting in that because rabbits or so fragile medically, that you would need somebody there almost 24 hours a day. And really, and that sounds weird to a lot of people too. Quite the opposite, I rather not have a shelter I’d rather a rescue not have to exist. I rather the situation turn around and be so good for every living being that we don’t even have to exist anymore. That was really more education. Another thing we do and Katie is at the helm of is creating flyers for people who do contact us when somebody comes into a situation where they can no longer care for their rabbit. If it was one they adopted from us, there are different plans in place, but if it was a rabbit they acquired elsewhere, we will help them find a home by making flyers and helping them advertise and also helping them screen potential adopters. Just to make sure the rabbit a goes to a safe home.

Before this wonderful team was in place, Kelly we had rules, you know, no owner surrender pets. Not because we’re jerks, but because you simply have to draw a line somewhere. Yeah. You know, you don’t have a physical shelter building. You got a handful of foster homes, people who work real jobs full time and do this out of the kindness of their hearts out of their own pockets. And you have to draw a line what you can rescue on what you can’t. And it’s always a hard decision. It’s the hardest part of rescue is saying no. But what’s really nice now is that we have the social media traffic, where if an owner cares a little bit, to help them make a flyer and let’s seek out a home for their bunny, they could put a little effort in it. Then we can help drive some traffic to view their rabbit’s flyer and give that rabbit half a chance of finding a really good home. Even though we can’t physically take in every single rabbit people want us to.

So I know you said that you can’t take all the rabbits. How do you acquire your rabbits, then? Do you hear about like, an abuse case? Or, you know, someone records a pair of rabbits left on the side of a highway? Because of the volume of Internet traffic that we get, our social media following, we’re able to help so many rabbits who are in crisis. The calls come through and Denise is the main triage nurse. Denise sorts through the inquiries for help. There’s literally a rabbit on the street in some town on Long Island, dodging traffic or perhaps someone calling and they the person their very own. Maybe they’re going into hospice, they have a beloved pet rabbit, and they went out of time, they ran out of options. These are really heart wrenching decisions, and you have to kind of put on your ‘let’s-figure-this-out,-cap.’ And Denise has the best, fitting, ‘let’s-figure-this-out-cap of all us.

So we find them because they’re on the streets. People dump them on the streets, and there are people who are in genuine crisis. There’s never a shortage of rabbits needing help. So the last catch we went on, and that was the first time we were out on a catch in a long time, together, was in a town about 30 minutes west of where I live. Just over the Columbus Day weekend or the Indigenous Peoples Day weekend, however you prefer to say it, were a young man had spotted—he must’ve grab it out on his lawn and his neighbor’s lawn. For a couple of days, they don’t know where the rabbit came from. It was a fairly busy road, and we went out with a couple of volunteers and a couple of puppy pens and spent some time. The sun went down, so it got difficult. But we saved this little baby girl rabbit, and that’s just what happens. It takes a lot of time and some great volunteers, but we make it happen.

Would you say that’s kind of like the biggest challenge that you guys face is because all of those people are purchasing rabbits. Then they realize, “oh, my child doesn’t want this.” And so then there’s a bunch of rabbits that are being surrendered or abandoned. I think a lot of the abandonment comes from, and I don’t know if this is unique to Long Island, but the towns and the county has allowed the sale of rabbits in stores and buy private breeders. But the animal shelters do not accept rabbits, with the exception of one shelter on the entire islands. Oh wow.

It’s interesting and I’ve been in contact with many of the shelters and trying to help people who do try to go there and say, “I can’t take care of my rabbit anymore. Or I don’t want my rabbit anymore.” Not one they adopted or they acquired from the store, and the shelters completely turn them away. I understand that the shelters don’t have unlimited resources, and they’re not set up for every animal. But we’re in that interesting piece, and that’s actually something that I wanna look into, and another says “is there any recourse for people who get themselves into a situation that they weren’t expecting?” We have met with local legislators, made a little bit of headway, but I get it. There’s a lot going on in the world, rabbits are not on most people’s priority. We completely understand that, but we’ve met with local legislators explaining that there’s a problem just to get it on their radar.

We try to report as many things as we can to the local SPCA chapters, although they also don’t have shelters and don’t have a lot of recourse. We want it on the record that there is this problem. And most of the time I like to think it’s just people at Marion whose saying they got themselves into something they just didn’t realize. Yeah, and like you said, I think that ties back into the education piece. I’m one of those people who, I wouldn’t know the difference between a domesticated rabbit and a wild rabbit. Not to say that I would ever you know, at least one. But I don’t think a lot of people understand, like there are some very extreme differences between the two. And, you know, domesticated rabbits can’t survive just like a wild rabbit can. Right.

Another question that I had for you, kind of regarding the foster homes and the rabbits that you guys do have. Do you work with a veterinarian? Or if you have a foster and there’s a rabbit that needs medical attention, do you have someone where you say, “Hey, call this vet?” How does that kind of work? We’re very lucky to have veterinarians who are skilled with rabbit medicine. Unfortunately, there’s not a ton of them, believe it or not. 2019, here we are, companion rabbit medicine is not a part of the United States Veterinary Curriculum meaning a rabbit that someone’s gonna have for the rabbits entire life spay, neuter, illness, disease, nutrition, housing, all that good stuff. Vets have a short little period where they might learn some exotic stuff or lab animal handling, lab animal husbandry. But it’s not yet established in the vet schools that there is companion rabbit care. So vet who do it well and competently our vets who taught themselves how. So the vets who know rabbit medicine do kind of like well kept secrets.

That’s really alarming, considering the statistics that you just gave, you know, like if they’re the third most popular, that’s insane. We’re waiting. Yeah. I mean, things are—things will definitely come around, I’m sure. You do work with the rabbit vet and exotic vets on Long Island. We have several that we have great relationships with. If somebody is fostering a rabbit for us, for our group, whether they’re volunteer or just a foster family, we appreciate all the help. We do pay for the veterinary bills with our donations. 100% of donations that we pull out go directly to the rabbit. And we do provide all the medical care. Well, rabbits are spayed, neutered and health checked by a rabbit savvy vet before adopted out from our group.

So, do you have any memorable stories that you would like to share? It could be about a particular animal or maybe a volunteer. Just something that you know really stands out to you, to the three of you. Alright, so it was actually this time of year. About six years ago, we got an email from a young woman in western Nassau County, it’s one of the counties on Long Island, saying that she spotted a black and white rabbit in her backyard and she lived close to a local horse racing track. So that happens to be a hot spot for rabbits to be abandoned. So we went out to her house and we helped her set up some pens and tried to help her catch the rabbit. And her neighbor was making a lot of noise in their yards, the rabbit run away. Whatever the case, we left her all set up with supply, she said she’d foster. She won’t ask the family, but she’s pretty sure they would say yes.

And one of the volunteers who came by to drop off some more supplies on the way home from work had whispered to me in the driveway, that she said “this chick.” I remember him saying like “get this chick’s information. She’s gonna be one of us.” I’m like, “yeah, we deal with people every day who find rabbits who helped or can’t help but say they want whatever. Like she’ll come and go thinking like everybody else.” Well, that young woman, her name is Mary. She is still a weekly volunteer. Ever since that day, we joke that “did we plant that rabbit in her back yard?” Not only did she then ended up—we didn’t catch the rabbit that night. She caught the rabbit on her on the next day, named her Lucille. She still has Lucille to this day, fostered to adopt after we helped with the medical care and helped her on everything about rabbits. And she is a weekly consistent volunteer to this day, just completely meant to be. So that’s one that always stands out to me—that you never know when your next great volunteer is gonna come along. Yeah. You turn someone into a rabbit person in the most random way. So never thought to have a rabbit. She didn’t think she wanted one. Her family didn’t have any pets. And here they are. Yeah, volunteers are such a big part of, you know, animal rescue, too. So when you can find those good ones, you keep them.

Any other stories? I just wanted disclaimer. We are in no way trying to bash Duncan’s original owners. They legitimately didn’t know any better, although when you hear the story kind of crazy that they didn’t know any better but keep in particular. So Duncan’s owner reached out to us because she was worried about safety. She mentioned that their family dog had nibbled on his ears and they were keeping Duncan outside in a hutch in the backyard and the family dog would be set loose in the yard. Able to run around and would go up to Duncan’s pen and torture him through the pen, and the owners didn’t realize it, which is sad, and when she did realize that her rabbit was being harmed, they’ve reached out to us. And we immediately went over there and brought Duncan into our care, but they were just uneducated. They had no idea that the rabbit shouldn’t be out in the hutch that their dog could possibly harm him through the pen that he was in.

So Duncan is now missing half of both of his ears, but he’s still very happy. Very nice rabbit. It’s amazing that he’s comfortable around people. He’s actually even comfortable around the dogs in his foster home. And we were unsure at first how that would be, and I’m sure that’s probably why he was going up to the dog at the pet at the bars of his time, he was probably lonely and scared, and then that didn’t help. But he really is just so loving and so sweet. He is actually gonna be neutered next month and up for adoption. And he’s got little jagged ends of his ears, and by the time we did rescue him and Katie was the one who went out and got him, the injuries were already healed. It’s been going on long enough to get—and the people they just, I don’t know if they weren’t supervising their dog, really and just—and I remember talking to the young woman who owned him, and she was like there’s no way he can get out. There’s no way the dog could get to him. It was just the saddest case of not realizing what was going on, but it happened. And it’s benign, benign neglect, right.

And I think the deference of the point that I always like to make when we’re communicating with the public is that it’s a little different with rabbits than with a lot of other pets in that it’s entirely possible to have a pet rabbit and love your rabbit and be doing so wrong by him because they’re a prey animal. Cats and dogs are predators. Rabbits are prey. They hide pain and fear and illness, and injury and stress. They hide it better than dogs and cats do. Because say your spouse, your roommate, “Hey, you know, your pet didn’t need his dinner. Let’s see if he eats his breakfast. If he’s still not eating tomorrow, we’ll call the vet.” Well, you can’t do that with a rabbit. A rabbit looks a little off, they’re crashing now. You don’t have days to figure it out. You’ve got hours or you’re gonna have a dead rabbit. That’s how fragile they are.

People who mean well, “oh, but we built him the biggest, most wonderful backyard enclosure.” I’ve seen some wonderful backyard enclosures where the rabbits died of maggots. They were beaten to death by parasites. The people had raccoon protection, haute protection. They had heat in the winter, cooling fans in the summer, and they macked out these rabbits outdoor environment like you wouldn’t believe. But the rabbit died. He was eaten to death by maggots. That’s I think, a point to make about how it’s very easy to miss stuff with rabbits. And Duncan’s story is a testament to that. People mean well, but there’s a lot that can go wrong. Right. I think that shows how much animals love to—the fact that Duncan is still likes to be around dogs, and it’s still such a loving animal. I think that really attests to how much love an animal has. Oh, absolutely.

And some of them it’s amazing the baggage they’ve been through. They come to us broken and bloody, literally broken and bloody, and they can turn into amazing pets. By the same token, there are some rabbits who’ve seen no trauma in their lives, and yet they grow up to be aloof. Like people, like cats, and like dogs. We’re kind of the belief that its nature more than nurture. That makes a great pet. You know, you could go into the shelter and take the saddest looking dog. He was rescued from a from a dog fighting ring or from some God junk yard or whatever. And he turns out to be the greatest pet. That’s nature, not nurture. I think it’s the same with rabbits. We’ve had litters that we’ve cared for babies. We raised them by hand. We raised by our volunteers, our rescuers capable adult loving, competent hands raising these babies from newborns to adulthood. Half of them will turn out friendly, and half of them will turn out kind of aloof. It’s really up to the individual creature, not necessarily how they’re treated.

So what does the future look like for your organization? Do you guys have any upcoming plans or events that people should know about? We are in the works. You’re probably the first to hear about it of planning a Bunny Spa Day. You know, several of the rescues around the country do it, and we’re now. Cool. The idea we’re gonna have people will be able to book appointments and come get what we call pawticures. Get their nails clipped, get their bunny rooms and have a professional portrait taken. So we’re getting that event together, and we’ll also use that as a fundraiser. There’s volunteered who donate their time. And we also have some local businesses and entrepreneurs who are going to donate some rappel baskets and things of that nature. So we’re planning that out.

We are constantly looking for fundraiser ideas. We have a ton of reporters out there. So that’s something we’re working on, extending our social media presence and always looking for more volunteers to help us out. So any innovative ways, we’ll be catching up on the rest of the episodes of this podcast that we didn’t listen to yet, to make sure we find out all the great ways that other groups are making it happen, because there’s such incredible work going on around the country around the world. Help saving animals, we wanna do our very best in that. And yeah, share ideas, because sometimes somebody is doing something and I’ll say, “oh, my God,” I‘ll send it to Denise and Katie like “we have to do this. Look how great this is. It’s wonderful.” Yeah, I think like the community aspect between different shelters and rescues like we all have the same common goal. We all want to help animals, and so I think it’s a great idea to get ideas from other people on what they’re doing and what’s worked for them.

And I love the idea of the spa day. It’s going to a lot of help and there’s waivers involved in everything. But it will be a fun and really cute day, and rabbits can’t have please dates like a dog park type situations. It’ll also be at least a nice way for us to get together. Putting two rabbits together who aren’t formally bonded to each other can result in injuries and fighting, although they look adorable, and cute, they can mess each other up, so we wouldn’t do that and put them in any harm’s way. But it would be just nice to get the crew together. Like I said before, we made some really beautiful friends and connections throughout our volunteering and on our adoption and fostering program. And we could be more helpful that way, keeping people connected, keeping people wanting to come back to our Facebook page, to our Instagram page. God forbid they need help. They know they can reach out to us if their vet’s not open, you know, it’s 11 o’clock at night. One of us is up. Someone is up to help.

That communication is so important too. That’s great that you guys do that. So, speaking of that, what is the best way that people can get in touch with your organization? Is it through email or your website or a phone number? Through our website, we have different forms for different things, but just emailing us directly through there is the best way to contact us. And through social media on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. Perfect. And could you just say your email for the less nous? Yes, it’s

Well, is there anything else that you would like to share before we wrap things up today? Rabbits and cats tend to get along really well. Good to know. No, right? If you ever consider thinking about getting another pet? Katie and I both have cats and rabbits living quite happily together in the same house. Yes, thank you. Well, thank you ladies So much for joining me today. I really appreciate your time and I’ve learned so much. Thank you. Oh, yeah, Thank you. It was fun. What a wonderful opportunity. Appreciate it. Of course.

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