Animal Rescue of the Week: Episode 39 – Long Island Rabbit Rescue

Long Island Rabbit Rescue Group is an all-volunteer, nonprofit organization on Long Island, New York. They make it their mission to rescue rabbits in need whether from abuse, neglect or abandonment. Along with showing them love and care they also give medical treatment as needed as well as spay or neuter them. Everyone involved with the rescue is dedicated to bringing attention to rabbits by educating the public on the special care and health needs of domestic rabbits so they can better care for their companions.


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Long Island Rabbit Rescue Group is an all-volunteer organization in New York. They are dedicated to rescuing rabbits and ensuring that they live long, happy lives. In addition to rescuing abandoned, neglected and abused domestic rabbits, they do their best to help families privately re home their rabbits if they feel they can no longer care for them. The staff and volunteers also worked very hard to educate their community on the importance of health needs and special care of rabbits to ensure that they are well taken care of. Today we have Mary and Denise and Katie at the Long Island Rabbit Rescue in New York. Hi. Welcome, ladies. So why don’t you get us started by telling us what each of you does at the Rabbit Rescue and kind of a little bit about your organization. Okay, well, I’ll start. My name is Mary and me and I guess I co-founded the Long Island Rabbit Rescue. I had to look this up. It was around 2005. We’re an offshoot of the House Rabbit Society, which is a very well-known international organization, and we started our own Long Island branch of Rabbit Rescue almost 15 years ago. Denise, Who’s our itself? Our claims coordinator for my intended, my general. Depending on the day we’ll let. Denise introduced herself behind in Eastbourne. Lottie- teacher by day, animal rescuer all other hours and sometimes sneaking in between classes as well. I handle the emails, the communications with the outside world. Some of the social media coordinate volunteers scheduled the adoptions. I say it would be a great personal assistant. And then we have Katie, who is amazing. Her has been another one of my right hand people for the last two years. Two and 1/2 years. Katie started out doing the standard volunteer work that we asked for, which is helping with the bunnies. But Katie’s helping with a lot more to a graphic design or by training and by profession. Katie has also been helping else us out. A lot of our marketing materials. Awesome. So how did you guys kind of get started with this? It sounds like you all have very different backgrounds. But, you know, you all came together for the rabbit rescue. I got started when I first got started with rabbits. That’s the way a lot of people do, which is by accident. I think not too many people in rescue get into it on purpose. I found a rabbit in my neighborhood. I started reaching up for help and I found the House Rabbit Society. So I basically volunteered for the New York City chapter of the House Rabbit Society for seven years or so before we started the loan group. At that point, we were finding people who wanted to volunteer with us. And that’s how Denise found us. Yes. So I Denise again wanted a rabbit, and so did my other half. And when we moved in together, we Googled Rabbit Solomon Islands. And the first thing that came up that time is a breeder. Now we have Katie working on our CEO. So rescues the person pride when we purchased two rabbits, Unfortunately, got a lot of misinformation from the breeder. Quickly learned that we needed to Google a little bit deeper. Found out about rescue. I went to one of their education events at a local pet supply store and signed up to volunteer. And here we are about seven and 1/2 years later. Ends. I work on rescue stuff every single day, and I absolutely love it. It has changed my life in such a beautiful way. When someone is really good, a rescue will find daily basis. There’s always something else to be done. The list has never ending. Yeah, in Katie, who’s about to tell us how she got into rabbits? She can certainly attest to that. I got did a rabbit in 2015 and when I moved out for a while and I just wanted to volunteer. So and I emailed my I’ll grab rescue and they stuck me in and I haven’t stopped bombs. Hearing with Wilson. Yeah, that’s great. Kind of like what you’re saying about, you know, finding a role for someone. There’s so many things to be done. And like you said, if you find someone who’s really passionate and great at what they dio, it’s pretty easy to find something for them in a rescue. So that’s great. It’s true. There’s facility roles, even rolls that you don’t foresee. Someone shows that they’re talented. It’s something. Maybe they’re a chef. Maybe there are no driver will find. Do definitely, yeah. So why don’t you start off by telling us a little bit about basic care that rabbits require? I for one, I don’t know much about rabbits, and so I would love to learn about their diet, their housing just kind of the basics of what there is to know. So we’re a little different for cats, much like a cat, and that you have to love him and pay attention to him. But that’s with similar. If you want to go on this one to the shore, I mean, and sometimes we jokingly call rabbits vegan cats. I know sometimes the word vegan could get people a little crazy. But as far as their diet goes, bunny really screwed things up for the public perception. Carrots are not their number one food. In fact, there are some Time Street should be given very minimally. About 80% of their diet should be grass, hays. They should be given that unlimited quantities and access to it. 24/7, 365 course they need clean water, preferably out of a bowl or heavy crock, as opposed to the water bottle you might see in Pet Supply Store is not the most easy way for rabbits to drink, much more natural for them to drink out of bull. Most rabbits get leafy greens and some herbs as salad, unless their stomachs don’t handle it while they have very sensitive digestive systems, which I’m sure Mary an awful Katie will talk about. And then I mentioned carrots as a treat, or sometimes a tiny piece of banana, a tiny piece of apple as a treat, You always want to avoid anything with nuts, seeds, artificial dyes, anything that looks like junk food. Even if there’s a rabbit on the package, it’s not good for them. I find that the biggest thing that people don’t know is about the hay and how much hey rabbits actually need. As I said before, I bought my rabbits from a breeder not knowing any better at the time at the breeder told us that they just need a little bit of hay sometimes. Well, without the unlimited hay, they won’t live that one, but it comes down through for the diet is fresh, clean, water locked. Oh, hey, a little bit of veggies and even less streets and hell, it’s Oh, rabbit pellets. Oh, yeah, that Well, I mean, it’s sort of the go to. And yes, we do believe in feeding rabbits pellets. They’re different brands out there available at stores will have basic trace minerals and vitamins. They sort of form the holy Trinity of the rabbit diet, which should be. The hay is there, he said, in unlimited quantities. Leafy green vegetables and rabbit pellets fulls with three basic components of a diet. That’s really interesting because, like you said, it’s very commercialized with, like Bugs Bunny, where you see them with the carrots. And, you know, I had no idea that they drink out of bowls instead of those, like hanging feet or water things. So that’s very interesting. And I think a lot of people don’t really realize that the domestic rabbit in our country they weren’t always pets. Mankind This would have had cats and dogs a lot alongside him or her for millennia. But domestic rabbits are sort of newcomers, and they started out being livestock. We had domesticated rabbits because we wanted meat and firm. So like other livestock animals, barnyard animals, rabbits were kept outside in a barn or in hutches. They lived on wire flooring to enable all of their waste products. You just fall conveniently to the ground. Less work for the farmer to do bottles attached to the side of those wire hutches made it convenient, kept the flies out. It kept the rabbits from accidentally getting food or fecal material in the bowl. It kept the rabbits from tipping them over, especially if you’re gonna be packing rabbits into hutches dozens of them and they’re going to be getting into fights and humping each other and knocking their water bowls over. That’s not convenient. So a lot of the stuff that still see today in pet stores is holdovers. From the time when we kept rabbit’s live stuff and, you know, in the last 20 they’re years or so. People are not only keeping rabbits as pets, but they’re keeping rabbits as pets indoors, so the gear and the equipment that we’re seeing in head stores is it’s changing. Thankfully, the Internet is helping us communicate that things should be changed and much like I said before with treats, just because there’s a rabbit on package not necessarily good for them thing with housing. I’m gonna toss to Katie to talk about the housing that we do recommend. But you’ll see if you go to your typical pet supply store a small plastic bottom cage, and they’ll be a picture of a hamster, a guinea pig in a rabbit on the outside of bucks. And that is not big enough nor comfortable enough for your domestic rabbits. Katie could tell you about what we do recommend. So for rabbits, you recommend extra large doll crates for sure. Cubby pen with a nice plush love underneath, Um, and a cat litter box, depending on the size of the rabbit, used newspaper on the bottom and tons on the tail on the top to keep their feet dry. No cat litter, hay, and a little off. Some people use yesterday’s news or fuel on pine, but you’re also safe for rabbits, but just using newspaper on the bottom of the head, we found, has been the best way to go. And you know what’s interesting to me to is a lot of times this plastic bottom cages that aren’t big enough anyway are often two or three times the price of a dog crate. So I feel badly when people not only by the wrong thing but really waste their money on items that are in ample for their rabbits. So it’s always good to do research. Yeah, so do you guys do anything with education then? Because it sounds like there are a lot of misconceptions about what rabbits need. And, you know, maybe the public needs more of that education. We probably more education than anything else, especially since Denise has been at the helm. Did he’s coming on board within the last seven or eight years, kind of at the time where Instagram and Facebook are coming on so strong as medians, communicate, we are able to educate so many more people than we’d ever be able to reach. We have Facebook reach, and followers and friends and fans from all over the world, really not just our local area, and Katie and I, both being former communication design professionals. Education is so important, the fewer animals out there that need to be rescued, the easier our job is. We don’t have to run around rescuing them all if we can prevent bad decisions from happening. If we can prevent people from making back purchases about choices, there’s the ballgame right there and as cliche as it will sounds, the number one reason with that people reach out to us that they don’t want their rabbit anymore. That purchase from of Reader a pet store is that their kid got tired of it. It was a Christmas gift for cigarette gift, Easter gift and their kids just not taking care of it anymore, just like they abandoned the Barbie doll or the skateboard a few months after they got it. Same thing with what they thought was going to be their kids rabbit. So I would say as far as, the being the one who answers the bulk of the emails for the group. I spend a lot of time educating people on what they could be doing better on behalf of their rabbit or even talking people out of adopting, which sounds counterintuitive and what we do. But we’ll get people who email and say My two-year-old child is begging for a rabbit. We know that although they look cute and fluffy rabbits in line to get picked up, they certainly don’t like to get carried around their fragile prey animals. And they’re just not right for most Children. So we do spend a lot of time doing our best to gently explained to people and combat a lot of minutes. Yeah, that kind of reminds me also of Easter time when you know everyone’s buying rabbits or bunnies for their kids or their loved one, and they don’t really do their research and find out like what a rabbit actually requires that it’s actually a pet. And it’s a commitment. It’s not just like a novelty gift. Yeah, absolutely. Katie were recently redesigned our entire website because we get so much traffic that because we get so many visitors to our Facebook page and traffic to our website, we thought it was really worth it to spend the time and make it as an effective communications tool. It’s possible we find it we hear a problem come about three times will create some sort of a flyer or a poster or page on the Web site or something to help quickly and effectively communicate a point that people need to see. Let’s talk a little bit about the programs that you guys offer. Looks like you have adoptions and then also, ah, fostering program. So we did adoptions at our adoptions after it there is approved. We also teach them basic care lessons, how to lift the rabbit, how to cut their nails, how to properly groomed the rabbit and how to take her up its temperature. So we well equipped our doctors with everything they need to go off in the World Cup there, you furry family member with, um so much like our adoption approval process. There is a full screening in a whole visit. We want to make sure are the rabbits that we rescue and helped to rescue are always getting the step up upgrade Really some forever love for the potentially 10 to 12 years that they’ll live. We require adopters and Fosters to keep the rabbits indoors. 24/7 365 in our environment. There’s just too many potential dangers outside, so no outside playtime for living. We do have high standards because the rabbits deserve that. Like I said, we’re rescuing them from horrible situations, from being abandoned in local wooded preserves, being left out in the streets of fend for themselves, which they cannot do. And we’re working to have so many more happy stories to balance that out and then book we were talking about before the educations. Hopefully, have this happened less than last year. Rabbits are abandoned, glass it and abuse. So we’re talking about programs far as. So the fostering, adopting we do education events in local libraries at local vendor fair type situation in local pet supply stores. We’ll go and set up a table. Answer questions, usually here, some crazy stories from people who had rabbits when they were little and all the things they did wrong. So for staying will often get people come up to us and say, Can you take my rabbit? And no, One thing I don’t think we mentioned before is that we don’t have a shelter facility. We operate all out of private foster homes. We’ve been approached many times asking is our goal one day to get a shelter facility, and it’s interesting in that because rabbits or so fragile medically, that you would need somebody there almost 24 hours a day. And really, and the sounds weird to a lot of people to quite the opposite. I rather not have a shelter I rather rescue not have to exist. I rather the situation turn around and be so good for every living being that we don’t even have to exist anymore. That was really more education. Another thing we do and Katie is at the helm of is creating flyers for people who do contact us when somebody comes into a situation where they can no longer care for their rabbit. It was when they adopted from us. There are different plans in place, but if it was a rabbit they acquired elsewhere, we will help them find a home by making flyers and helping them advertise and also helping them screen potential adapt. There’s make sure the Rabbit a sequel. Before this wonderful team was in place, Kelly we had rules, you know, no owner surrender pets, not because we’re jerks, but because you simply have to draw a line somewhere. Yeah, you know, you don’t have a physical shelter building. You got a handful of foster homes, people who work real jobs full time and do this out of the kindness of their hearts out of their own pockets. And you have to draw a line what you can rescue on what you can, and it’s always a hard decision. It’s the hardest part of rescue is saying no. But what’s really nice now is that we have the social media traffic where if an owner cares a little bit to help them make a flyer and let’s seek out a home for their money, they could put a little effort in it. Then we can help drive some traffic to view their rabbits flyer and give that rabbit half a chance of finding really but home, even though we can’t physically take in every single rabbit people on us, too. So I know you said that you can’t take all the rabbits. How do you acquire your rabbits, then? Do you hear about like, an abuse case? Or, you know, someone records two pair of rabbits of left on the side of a highway because of the volume of Internet traffic we get Our social media following were able to help so many rabbits who are in crisis. The calls come through and Denise is the main triage nurse. Jenny’s sorts through the enquiries for help. There’s literally a rabbit on the street in some town on Long Island, dodging traffic or perhaps some of calling and they the person our very own. Maybe they’re going into hospice. We have a beloved pet rabbit, and they went out of time in there, out of options. These are really heart wrenching decisions, and you have to kind of put on your let’s figure this out, cap. And the Chinese has the best fitting. Let’s figure this out. Sap a love us. We find them because they’re on the streets. People dump them on the streets, and there are people who are in genuine crisis. There’s never a shortage of rabbits needing help. So the last catch we went on, and that was the first time we were out on the cash in a long time together was in a town about 30 minutes west of where I live, just over the Columbus Day weekend or the Indigenous Peoples Day weekend over, you put there to say it where a young man had spotted must grab it out on his lawn and his neighbor’s lawn. For a couple of these, they don’t know where gravity came from. It was a fairly busy road, and we went out with a couple of volunteers and a couple of puffy pens and spent some time. The sun went down, so got difficult. But we saved this little baby girl rabbit, and that’s just what happens. It takes a lot of time and some great volunteers, but it could happen. Would you say That’s kind of like the biggest challenge that you guys faces because all of those people are purchasing rabbits. Then they realize, Oh, my child doesn’t want this. And so then there’s a bunch of rabbits that are being surrendered or abandoned. I think a lot of the abandonment comes from, and I don’t know if this is unique to Long Island, but the towns and the county is allow the sale of rabbits in stores and buy private readers. But the animal shelters do not accept rabbits. With the exception of one, Schultz are on the entire island. So wow, it’s interesting and I’ve been in contact with many of the shelters and trying to help people who do try to go there and say, I can’t take care of my rabbit anymore. I want my rabbit anymore. Not one. They adopt muscle in the park store, and the shelter’s completely turned them away. I I understand that the shelters don’t have unlimited resources, and they’re not set up for every animal. But we’re in that interesting piece, and that’s actually something. Now I wanna look into another policies. Is there any recourse for people who get themselves into a situation that they weren’t expecting? We have met with local legislators, made a little bit of headway, but I get it. There’s a lot going on in the world, rabbits or not on people’s priority. We understand that, but we’ve met with local legislators explaining that there’s a problem just to get it on their radar. Try to report as many things as we can to the local SPCA chapters, although they also don’t have shelters and don’t have a lot of recourse. We wanted on the record that there is this problem. And most of the time I like to think it’s just people at Marion was saying You got themselves into something they just didn’t realize. Yeah, and like you said, I think that ties back into the education piece. I’m one of those people who I wouldn’t know The difference between a domesticated rabbit and a wild rabbit. Not to say that I would ever you know, at least one. But I don’t think a lot of people understand, like there are some very extreme differences between the two. And, you know, domesticated rabbits can’t survive just like a wild rabbit can. Another question that I had for you, kind of regarding the foster homes and the rabbits that you guys do have. Do you work with a veterinarian? Or if you have a foster and there’s a rabbit that needs medical attention, do you have someone where you say, Hey, call this vet? How does that kind of work? We’re very lucky to have veterinarians who are skilled with rabbit medicine of Fortunately, there’s not a ton of them, believe it or not. 2019. Here we are, companion Rabbit medicine is not of the heart of the United States that an Eric curriculum meaning a rabbit that someone’s gonna have to the rabbits entire life. Spay, neuter, illness, disease, nutrition, housing, all that good stuff that’s have a short little period where they might learn some exotic stuff or lab animal handling, lab animal husbandry. But it’s not yet established in the vet schools that there is companion rabbit care show that that’s who do it well and competently our bets. Who taught themselves how so The vets who know rabbit medicine do kind of like well kept. See, that’s really alarming, considering the statistics that you just gave, you know, like if they’re the third most popular, that’s insane. Waiting. Yeah. I mean, things are things will definitely come around. I’m sure you do work with the Rabbit vet and exotic vets on the island. We have several that we have great relationships with it. Somebody is bolstering around it for us, for our group, whether they’re volunteer or justice foster family. We appreciate all the help we do pay for the veterinary bills with our donations. 100% of donations that we pull out go directly to the rabbit on did you provide all the medical care Well, rabbits are spayed, neutered and health check by a rabbit savvy back before adopted out tomorrow. So, do you have any memorable stories that you would like to share? It could be about a particular animal or maybe a volunteer. Just something that you know really stands out to you, Tonto. Right? So it was actually this time of year. About six years ago. Remarks we got an email from a young woman in western Nassau County was in the county’s on Long Island, saying that she spotted a black and white rabbit in her backyard and she lived close to a local force racing track. So that happens to be a hot spot for rabbits to be abandoned. So we went out to her house and we helped her set up some pens and tried to help her catch the rabbit. And her neighbor was making a lot of noise, their guards, the rather run away. Whatever case, we left her all set up with supply, she said she’d foster. She won’t ask the family, but she’s pretty sure they would say yes. And one of the volunteers who came by to drop off some more supplies on the way home from work had whispered to me in the driveway she had this chick. I remember saying like that. Get this chicks information. She’s going to be one of us. Yeah, we deal with people every day. Fine rabbits who helped or can’t help but say they want whatever. Like she’ll come and go thinking like everybody else. Well, that young woman, her name is Mary. She is still a weekly volunteer. Ever since that day, we joke that Did we plant that rabbit in her back? Not only did she then ended up, we didn’t catch the rabbit that night. She caught the rabbit on her on the next day, named her Lucille. She still has Lucille to this day, fostered to adopt after we helped with the medical care and help till on everything about rabbits. And she is a weekly consistent volunteer to this day, just completely meant today. So that’s one that always stands out in a that you never know when your next great volunteer of them come along. You turn someone into a rabbit person in the most random way. So we have a rabbit. She thinks she wanted one. Her family didn’t have any paths. And here they are. You have volunteers air such a big part of, you know, animal rescue, too. So when you confined those good ones, you keep them. Any other stories I just wanted disclaimer. We are in no way trying to bash Duncan’s original owners. They legitimately didn’t know any better, although when you hear the story kind of crazy that they didn’t know any better but keep in particular. So Duncan’s owner reached out to us because she was worried about safety to. You mentioned that their family dog had nibbled on his ears and they were keeping Duncan outside in a hutch in the backyard and the family dog would be set loose. We are able to run around and would go up to Duncan’s pen and torture him through the pen, and the arms didn’t realize it. But she’s sad, and when she did realize that her rabbit was being harmed, they’ve reached out tow us in. We immediately went over there and brought Duncan into our care, but they were just uneducated. They had no idea that the rabbit shouldn’t be out in the Hutch that there dog could possibly harm him through the pen that he was in. The Duncan is now missing half of both of his ears, but he’s still very happy. Very nice in from a Rabbit. It’s amazing that he’s comfortable around people. He’s actually even comfortable around the dogs and his foster home. When we were unsure at first how that would be meeting, and I’m sure that’s probably why he was going up to the dog at the pet, the bars of his time, he was probably lonely and scared, and then that didn’t help. But he really is just so loving and so sweet is actually gonna be neutered next month and up for adoption. And he’s got l ittle jagged ends of his ears, and by the time we did rescue him and Katie was the one who went out and got him, the injuries were already healed. It’s been going on long enough to get the people they just I don’t know if they weren’t supervising their dog, really, just and I remember talking to the young woman won’t him, and she was like there’s no way he can get out. There’s no way the dog could get to him. It was just the status case of not realizing what was going on, but it happened. And it’s benign, benign neglect, right? And I think deference of a point that I always like to make we’re communicating with the public is that it’s a little different rabbits than with a lot of other pets in that it’s entirely possible to have a pet rabbit and love your rabbit and be doing so wrong by him because they’re a prey animal cats and dogs of predators. Rabbits were prey. They hide pain and fear and illness, an injury and stress. They hide it better than dogs and cats. Dude, you can save your spouse. Your roommate. Hey, you know Fighting didn’t need his dinner. Let’s see if he eats his breakfast. If he’s still not eating tomorrow, we’ll call the vet. Well, you can’t do that with a rabbit. A rabbit looks a little off. They’re crashing now. You don’t have these to figure it out. You’ve got hours or you’re gonna have a good rabbit. That’s how fragile they are. People who mean well. Oh, but we built him the biggest, most wonderful backyard enclosure. I’ve seen some wonderful backyard enclosures where the rabbits died. Maggots. They were beaten to death by parasites. The people had raccoon protection, haute protection. They had heat in the winter, cooling fans in the summer, and they smacked out this rabbits outdoor environment like you wouldn’t believe. But the rabbit died. He was beaten to death by maggots. That’s I think, a point to make about how it’s very easy to miss stuff with rabbits and Duncan. Story is a testament to that. People mean well, but there’s a lot that can go wrong, right? I think that shows how much animals love to the fact that Duncan is still likes to be around dogs, and it’s still such a loving animal. I could, but really a test, too. How much love and animal has? Oh, absolutely. And some of them it’s amazing the baggage they’ve been through. They come to us broken and bloody, literally broken and bloody, and they can turn into amazing pets. By the same token, there are some rabbits who’ve seen no trauma in the . ir lives, and yet they grow up to be people like hats and like dogs. We’re kind of a belief that its nature more than nurture. That makes a great pet. You know, you could go into the shelter and take the saddest looking dog. He was rescued from a from a dog fighting ring or from some God junk yard or whatever. And he turns out to be the greatest pat. That’s nature, not nurture. I think it’s the same with rabbits. We’ve had letters that we’ve cared for babies. We raise them by hand Raised by our volunteers are rescuers capable adult loving, competent hands raising these babies from newborns to adulthood. Half of them will turn out friendly, and half of them will turn out kind of aloof. It’s really up to being individual creature, not necessarily how they’re treated. So what does the future look like for your organization? Do you guys have any upcoming plans or events that people should know about? We are in the works. You’re part of the first to hear about it of planning a bunny spa day. You know, several of the rescuers are on the country that do it, and we’re low. That idea we’re gonna have people will be able to book appointments and come get what we call poetic. You’re so get their nails cliffs, get their bunny rooms and have a professional portrait. Teak end. So we’re getting that event together, and we’ll use that as a fundraiser so volunteered to donate their time. And we also have some local businesses and entrepreneurs who are going to donate some rappel baskets and things of that nature. So we’re planning that out. We are constantly looking for fundraiser ideas. We have a ton of reporters out there. So that’s something we’re working on, extending our social media presents and always looking for more volunteers to help us out. So any innovative ways will be catching up on the rest of the episodes of this podcast that we didn’t listen. Thio. Sure, we find out all the great days that other groups are making it happen, because there’s such incredible work going on around the country around the world. Health saver animals, yeah, share ideas, because sometimes somebody is doing something and I’ll say, Oh, my God, send it to Denise and Katie like we have to do this. Look how great this is. It’s wonderful. Yeah, I think like the community aspect between different shelters and rescues like we all have the same common goal. We all want to help animals, and so I think it’s a great idea to get ideas from other people on what they’re doing and what’s worked for them. And I love the idea of the spa day is going to a lot of health and those waivers involved in everything. But it will be a fun and really cute day, and rabbits can’t have please date like a dog park type situations. Little billet at least a nice way for us to get together. Putting two rabbits together who aren’t formally bonded to each other can result in injuries and fighting, although they look adorable, impute they can mess each other up so we wouldn’t do that and put them in any harm’s way. But it would be just nice to get the crew together. Like I said before, we made some really beautiful friends and connections. There are volunteering and on our adoption of fostering program, and we could be more helpful that way, keeping people connected, keeping people wanting to come back to our Facebook page story. Instagram page. God forbid they need help. They know they can reach out to us there. That’s not open. It’s 11 o’clock at night. One of us is up. Someone is up to help. That communication is so important to That’s great that you guys do that. So, speaking of that, what is the best way that people can get in touch with your organization? Is it through email or your website or a phone number through our website? We have different forms for different things, but just emailing us directly through there is the best way to contact us on through social Began book on instagram YouTube Perfect. And could you just say your email for the less nous? Yes, it’s information at Well, is there anything else that you would like to share before we wrap things up today with than rabbits and cats tend to get along Really good to know. No, right. You ever consider thinking about getting another path? Katie and I both have cats and rabbits living quite happily together in the same house. Yes, thank you. Well, thank you ladies So much for joining me today. I really appreciate your time and I’ve learned so much. You Oh, yeah, Thank you. Despite what a wonderful opportunity. Appreciate it. Course.

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