The New Hampshire SPCA is a community resource bringing animals and people together. They provide adoption, education, investigation and sheltering services in a professional and compassionate way. The staff and volunteers work tirelessly to provide the best possible care for the animals they take in as well as providing educational programs for the people of their community. This shelter’s Adoption Center receives nearly 2,500 unwanted, neglected or abused animals from the region each year. They provide each one with a warm bed, medical care, nutritious food and the time it takes to place them in a new loving home.
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The New Hampshire SPCA has been around since 1872 only. Back then, it was called the Portsmouth Society to prevent cruelty to animals. Though they have changed their name, their mission has always been the same: to save the lives of companion animals through rescue rehabilitation, an adoption as well as promoting education about animal welfare to help eliminate animal cruelty. Haley. So welcome to the show. Thank you so much. It’s wonderful to be here today. Yeah, I’m excited to have us. So you are the Executive Director at New Hampshire SPCA. And can you just tell us a little bit about your organization? Sure. We were founded in 1872. So we’re 147 years old and we were founded originally for the protection of the large animals, the beasts of burden. And so we have kept the large animals as a part of our core focus over all these years and eventually started sheltering smaller animals in the fifties and sixties and had our first shelter here in Stratum, New Hampshire. After many, many years in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, we have expanded to have four cornerstones. Those field services that we were founded by are the first and then the Adoption Center. So surrender, Adoption, Austin found those types of wreck air service is humane education and behavior in training. So those are the sort of the four cornerstones of my work, and we’re the oldest and the largest in the state of New Hampshire, one of the 1st 10 humane societies founded in the country. So when you say large animals, what kind of animals do you guys have? We have everything from mice to horses, but when we’re talking about the large animals specifically, it is horses. Primarily, we have had help, aka We had an e move. We have goats and potbelly pigs foul, so anything that would be sort of family farm companion, large animals those that do not live in the home. Okay, Yeah, It sounds like you guys have a wide variety of animals. So why don’t you tell me a little bit about the community in your area? Are there any particular challenges for the animals in New Hampshire? We have been very blessed over the years in not only New Hampshire, but in all of New England to be aggressively addressing the issues of spaying and neutering and getting over population under better control. And so the kinds of issues that we face are those that are faced all across the country, the homelessness of animals, the transitions that people find themselves, then the unwanted animals, animals that are victims of cruelty and neglect, sometimes domestic violence. Fortunately, we were able to transport from areas where there may be overcrowding and provide some support. We’ve been doing that since 2004 so we’re both able to transfer poor dog as well as cats. And sometimes it could be rats or other kinds of small animals. But we try and partner with our local shelters in the region to provide assistance. We all do to help each other out and find the best outcomes for the animals. Yeah, that’s great. And I think it’s so important that you send that because I don’t think people always realize how important it is to have those connections between different organizations because everyone has the same goal. Everyone wants to help the animals and make sure that one animal gets to the spot, that it needs to be so absolutely. And it’s so exciting when you have those success stories. And the first one that we ever transported was a dog, a Great Dane named Thor. He had been another shelter about an hour away, and he’d been there for three months and he just was overlooked. It wasn’t just any interest in him in those days and whatever reason, and he came here. Within a week he was adopted, and then he was on vacation at the end of the week of the lake chasing. There’s kind of a great outcome, so sometimes it’s just providing a different then you a new audience. Sometimes it’s really out of harm’s way, like Katrina or Hurricane the ray things like that. But whatever the reason, you know if we’re able to help another agency and help another animal. We’re certainly happy to do that. Definitely, That’s great. So let’s talk about some of the programs that you guys offer. And let’s start with the one that you’re most proud of. Oh, my goodness, I’m proud of all of the surgeons I really am like, I don’t know that I could pick a favorite at any time. But all of the programs are wonderful. You know, when we talk about direct service and being able to help those innocent victims, whatever it is, that animal that was left was unwanted. You know, whether it comes in through scheduling or through some sort of tragedy. Every time you have that opportunity to help an animal, whether it’s behaviorally or medically and then see that outcome, that’s just tremendous. Most recently, a lot of people may be aware that we were involved in a cruelty case that lasted almost two years, and it’s just been this month that the animals were finally surrendered. So what I’m so proud of right now is the care and the commitment of the staff and the volunteers and helping these animals keep them healthy and whole and really trained them to become wonderful companions, and now seeing them go home into new forever homes is just so rewarding. So that’s in the forefront right now. It’s most prevalent, but we also have other animals that are here have been here a year in protective custody. But then I go downstairs and I see a classroom full of Children, and I think, Oh my gosh, I love our Humane Education Programs because we’re changing the future. They were teaching compassion through teaching, how to be kind and how to be responsible. How to be a wonderful caretaker for our animals and each other today the group of Children we have downstairs or high school students from a program called Friends Forever. So they’re here on a one week visit and part of their visit here, learning about breaking, taking down barriers between these groups of Children. They’re also here providing some community service because they care and love animals. And so no matter how you’re able to educate a child and create a better outcome, is just something I’m so proud of, and we work with Children from our preschool story hour, right through high school and college students. It’ll come in through internships. So all of those programs the after school clubs, the advocacy clubs and the tours of the presentations, an Eagle Scout project, whatever that project is, it’s just so impactful. And the kids are so grateful to have the opportunity to be here to contribute in whatever way they can. That’s great. It sounds like you have a lot of different age groups that can participate, and it sounds like you have a wide variety of youth programs as well. So let’s talk a little bit about how people can sign up. So if somebody wants to bring their child in for one of the youth camps where they want, you know, one of the younger Children to be part of a program, how do they get involved in that? Well, the best way always to learn about our programs and service is through our website, and that’s www.nhspca.org. And then you can see both are direct hair service is for adoption or surrender. Lost and found, all of those types of programs as well as Humane Education, and we do offer summer camp and vacation camp as well as those after school programmes. So all the different youth programs are listed on our website. And then, if they’re interested and discover Wow, I didn’t know that you also have behavior in training. Absolutely. You can learn about all of our classes and workshops and programs as well. Let’s talk a little bit about those programs that you just briefly mentioned as well. So what are your training programs that you guys have? So we have a full series of Obedience Programs as well as Agility Programs, so you may have a new puppy, and so you might sign up for a Puppy Play and Learn. You know, it’s a puppy socialization class in the beginning of learning good manners. And then we have manners one and too and Grumpy Growlie’s for those that need it for work, he have agility 12 and three. Sometimes it’s a nose work class, or it might be a CPR workshop or some other workshop. We just did a training program for cats, and we did a two-day workshop with dogs that mostly was for staff. But some volunteers came as well, but the cat program was open to the public, so there’s lots of programmes, lots of opportunities. And it’s a great way to spend time with your companion animal, with your dogs. Specifically, in this case, especially, they’re going through the different seasons learning good manners, learning how to be a great community citizen and right through canine good citizen workshop. So all kinds of programs here? Yeah, it sounds like you have a lot of different groups. I’m sure that somebody could find something that fits their animals. So I know you said the cats are open to the public. Are all of these dogs services a s well They are okay. They absolutely are about 24 classes a week and for the classes and the use of their kind of stages in like progressions. Do you kind of determine when a dog comes in what class they’re going to be in? Or is that up to the owner to decide, like my pet needs to be in this class versus another one? Well, sometimes it’s clear, and an individual just got a new dog and they want to sign up for manners, one that’s very clear. But sometimes I’ve taken a class someplace else, or they’ve just gotten it had a dog for a number of years, but they’d like to take a class. You know, just just try and strengthen some of their skills, or sometimes just for bonding time. And so they may talk to the trainer and decide what class would be most appropriate for them. We also have individual consultation. Some individuals need really a one on one classes. So we do that. And then at different times of the year, we might do a specialty class. This is just on a recall that this is just on jumping so that you can just take a class on one’s particular skill. Yeah, that’s great. Especially, I think, for the animals that, you know, maybe there’s just one behavior that needs city corrected exactly. And often as we know it is teaching the owner. Yeah, I work with the animal. Definitely. So for the more difficult dogs I know you said you have a program for that. What are some of the behavior issues or problems that you guys work on in that class? Well, there might be issues of resource guarding. There might be lunging, as they said in the Grumpy Growlie’s it may be that they don’t play well with others. And so it’s desensitizing learning how to handle the dog appropriate learning what? Some of the tools, maybe in terms of using a flat collar or martingale collar, somebody may come in and say, Well, I go to the beach all the time and I’m using a flexi lead. And so the recommendation, maybe to use the six foot need so that you have better control and you know how to work with treats so that you get the animal to come back and get this dog to be more responsive, more reliable control and an animal that is listening, being attentive. Yeah, And I’m glad that you said that because I feel like not everybody realizes that, you know, it’s on us to It’s not just the animal we have Teoh know what to do and how to help them as well. So if somebody wants to volunteer with you guys, do you have any volunteer programs? Oh, yes, we do. We have lots of opportunities and the volunteer opportunities in both on site and off site. They could be a one-time event, or they could be five days a week or more, and we have volunteers who do all of the above. So in terms of volunteering, you need to be 16 years old and you can go on line and learn more about our volunteer programs, but you would sign up for a volunteer orientation session, and we usually have them twice a month where you come in. Our volunteer coordinator, because the history of the organization and overview of all the different departments learns about the individuals that are at the session and answers questions. And then, if, say, somebody interested in becoming a dog walker, they would then come down and do with special training just a dog walkers. Or if they want to work with small animals, the birds demise. The guinea pigs if they’d like to work with the cats. Or perhaps they really don’t want to do direct service. They’re more interested in working in the offices, helping they calls to our donors and thank you calls and appreciation for their We’re gonna work on a mailing one-time nailing. Or perhaps they’re working on a special event. We have our mission Paws Walk, walk every spring on auction every fall and lots of other programs throughout the year where we count on our volunteers to represent us at various offside opportunities and be able to be an ambassador for the agency. Some people deliver newsletters. Some people collect donations in the communities. There’s just so many different ways in which people can help. Well, yeah, that was a lot of different ways that volunteers can help. I tried to write down all of them and I got stuck. But yeah, that’s a lot. So somebody has a skill. We’re so grateful to be able to partner with them in helping the animals through the contributions. So yes, no, that’s great. So I know you mentioned that there’s different orientation and different care that you have to learn for dogs and cats versus the small animals like mice, for example. So what is that care look like since it’s so different? Well, a lot of times, you know, you really want to know, especially with animals in the show, there were already very stressed there in an environment where somebody new is caring for them every day, you know, it could be a different staff member could be a different volunteer. There’s some consistency, of course, but there’s also a lot of variable lot of smells. Strangers coming in different animals, that air. They’re enclosed in it, page or great. And so when you open that door to the cage of the crate, you have to remember the only way out is forward. The volunteer is standing in front of that animal usually or to the side of that animal. So we want to teach safe handling we wanted. Teach disease control. You want to teach behavior and signals and ensure that people know what to look for so that they can remain safe. We don’t want anyone to get hurt in their volunteer contributions. So how to clean a cage? What kind of food is this? An animal. You should be even beginning to go on. Walker. Careful. Is this animal on a Rabies hold, for example, or are you walking into the isolation area? Her cats are for dogs, so it’s important to learn the layout downstairs way beyond the orientation session, but actually get thee behind the scenes tour. Learn where the supplies are learned with the protocols on, and every area has protocols, and so you need to learn them and then betraying work side by side with the mentorship before you’re just able to come in and volunteer directly. I think a lot of people think that they can just walk in and volunteer, and there’s a lot more that goes into it. There is a lot more that goes into it and and even within her example are dogs. We have multi levels of skill, some dogs that are really super friendly and easy to hook up and leash and take on a walk. And, you know, they’re just sort of trotting around the property because we do walk them outside and around. And there are other dogs that are not as socialized, and so we may have our MOS. What we call volunteers are MOD. Volunteers have higher skill levels, and then certain dogs are blue mod. That’s the highest skill level, and those air individuals and have a lot of hours, a lot of experience, and they work with the dogs that are the most challenging and need behavior modification. They’re part of the behavior modification program. Okay, every time a dog has walked on our property, part of that is a training program being attentive to the persons walking with them, and it’s a time when you can work with them and help them gain some skills so that there will be a more adoptable and more successful in there forever home. So when you mentioned that you take the dogs out, do you have, like, an open field or like trails, or is it just kind of around like your center? So all of our dogs are walked outside. Some of them are in a pen, and it’s because they may be on quarantine. So we want to control where they’re walking, and then others once they’re beyond a quarantine or don’t have a quarantine there, walked around our property just recently, This past spring, we were able to acquire a land right next door to us, which has some woods, and we’ve been able to create some trail so really lovely opportunity for the volunteers and the dogs to get some time in the woods and just take this nice, walk through the trails and then come back sort of, you know, off the parking lot and way have some grass area, and so we try and create a nice walking path for all of the dogs to get walked every day. And they do get walk multiple times a day. Yeah, that sounds really nice to have that area over there. So what would you say? The biggest challenges are in your organization today. Some of the challenges that we’re experiencing is that some of the systems in our facility or end of life’s or HVAC system our septic system. Some of those things need to be upgraded. In addition, when we built our current facilities many years ago, sheltering was very different. And so the standards for housing have changed. Transport is very common now. We’ve certainly, as I mentioned earlier, been transporting for 15 years now and so having an appropriate quarantine space, we’re providing more and more service is to our community. So being able to have appropriate space for our wellness clinics and our Low-Cost Neuter Clinic, things like that and the large animals’ challenges have actually grown. So where 10 or 15, 20 years ago we had two horses on average. Now we often have 10 horses or 12 horses on average, plus other farm animals. And so we are in a capital campaign at this time. We’ve been working on it for the past couple of years so that we can actually not only expand our footprint, enhance our facilities, but also worked was ensuring our future through some gifts doing down there. So that’s what we’re doing right now, and we’re hoping to break ground comes spring and at us another training area, a community wellness clinic as well as the expanded land so that we can create an indoor arena. Or so we can construct indoor arena so we can train the horses while they’re on site and be able to adopt them more appropriately because currently all of our paddocks air just bag or not really safe for appropriate places for anybody to put a saddle on the horse and ride. And so therefore having an indoor arena, you really be a huge blessing for that program for our farm and equine program. We’ll look out for all those changes. That’s really exciting. It is exciting. So let’s talk a little bit about the adoption process. Do people just fill out an application online, or is it different for the smaller animals versus the large animals? I guess if you could just walk me through the adoption process. All of the animals that we have available for adoption are listed on our website for the most part, and then every day, new animals will become available as their process cleared for adoption, spayed or neutered, if appropriate, et cetera. And so we do have applications online as well as their profiles. Once an application is submitted, somebody comes in. It’s not a very long application. It’s just one page, double sided, and they sit down with an adoption counsellor, review the application, have an opportunity to have a conversation about what is it they’re looking for? What are they hoping for? Because what we don’t want is for somebody to come in and sort of this impulse shop. Sure, you know what? We will wanted somebody to come in knowing that they’re looking for a dog to add to their family or cat. They’re hoping that it’s an active dogs. They love to go hiking. They want to go hiking all the time with this one, or if they really are kind of a homebody. And they’re looking for a companion to snuggle on the couch with you know, what is it that they’re really looking for before they look in the eyes of one of the animals here? Because you’re gonna fall in love? Yes. You know, if you we can have that conversation that we can help guide people towards, this is a really friendly cat. This is the last cat. This is a cat that’s lovely, but doesn’t really want to be held very much. Or this is a dog that’s a senior and is looking for, you know, a place to snuggle by the fireplace or this young, very energetic dog that needs a lot of time out of the house so we can try and help guide people. But then they’ll take the animal out. We’ll spend some time with it, whether they’re taking out walking on our property or go into another room. If it was a cat, for example, or a guinea pig or a bunny, and spend some time and decide, Is this the right one? Or maybe they want to check out that cat or that rabbit. And so once they read the profile because we do get an incoming profile on each of the animals so they can learn as much as we know it’s. He can look at the medical record if there is any medical background. Perhaps this dog has a particular something. It’s got thyroid disease. Or it’s a cat that’s got fivy or whatever it may be. Or just a happy, healthy kitten. And we’re going to go. Yeah, they could get all that information. It’s lived with cats, lived with dog, has lived with kids and lived alone, you know, with just one person. And if they decide this is the one, then we complete an adoption, so we’ll go through them. We’ll go through any medical waiver if there is a medical waiver, which would be for something that we know about. And they just be an ongoing chronic something, or it may be a lump or a bump. We just want to bring it to their attention so they don’t get home and say, Wait, it has a lump or above Because, of course, animals are living creatures. They come with histories, every single one of them clean if their babies. So we have people, you know. So I also noticed on your website that you guys have something called your Field Services department. I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about what that is. So Field Services is again, how we were founded. The investigations is the investigative agent who receives anywhere between 800,000 calls a year of potential cruelty or neglect or suspect areas with the community members. Or somebody contacts us to let us know that they have a concern about the welfare of a particular animal, so they will review the call. Sometimes we refer the calls, and many times they will go out into the field and do checks. Whether it’s a large animal or a small animal, talk to the owners. Make sure that they have the resource is that they need to care for the animals, that they have a picture, that they’re not overwhelmed with numbers. Sometimes you know you’ll go and talk with somebody, and they’ve lost sight of the number of animals that they have. You know, they’re the good neighbor who loves cats, and they had three cats and four cats and five cats, and then people discovered that they love cats, and so they gave him their cats and before they knew what they had. 22 cats then they weren’t all spayed and neutered. And now they have 40 cats. They get overwhelmed, and so we try and help them in. The first and most important thing to try and do is educate because we always want to help people make those good choices. If they need help, can we help them? Take some of the animals, But leave some of the animals and make sure that those animals that are left Arnold spayed and neutered do they need food support? Do they need medical support? Is it intentional? Does it rise to true neglect or cruelty or the plates involved? We’ve been involved in a number of search and seizures for animals that have been everything from fighting dogs to herd of horses without shelter. There are laws that need to be complied with. So, for example, when I speak of horses and shelter November 1st April Hurst in New Hampshire, the laws that horses must have sheltered from so sometimes you’ll get a call in January discovered that there’s six horses that are living out in the field with no shelter. You know they have no water There are all kinds of cruelty cases that were involved in some times where you need to work with other agencies as well, because there may be Children involved. There may be something else that’s going on that serious. So we work in partnership with police departments. The Police Department’s execute the search warrants. We work with them and offer to hold the animals in protective custody while they go through the court system. But, you know, the best thing that could happen is if it is a case. If animals are surrendered so they don’t linger in the system, that’s always really challenging. What’s the process like once you get an animal? It depends. There was a case about a year ago where we took 22 animals from a home that they had been abandoned. The family moved out, left them behind. I think there were 10 cats and some rabbits and there were a couple of turtles. In that particular case, the cats were brought to good health, you know, some of them had upper respiratory infection or whatever the case may be there. Brought to good health or spayed and neutered, they’re placed for adoption with the turtles. The turtles were actually wild caught, and so we had to wait until spring before we could release them back into their original location. And that was by laws. Well, the case that we’ve just dealt with the German Shepherds it had the German shepherds for 22 months, and now that they are ours, they’re all being spayed and neutered and then will be placed or are being placed for adoption. So, yes, when a case resolves itself, either through the court system or in some other manner, in other words, the owner surrenders some of your surrenders all. Whatever the case may be, people don’t take them and prepare them for adoption and finding new homes. And if someone wants to get involved with this program that you guys have, can they volunteer? Or is it more of you have staff that does. We have staff over the investigative agents because you need to follow the law. You can’t just trespass on people’s your property and take animals. You have to follow strict regulation and working in partnership with police departments. But we do have volunteers that help us when we go on calls to help remove animals. And they’re usually well-trained part of our disaster team who are experienced in both the handling of animals and the equipment that’s used to remove them and get them safely back here. But, well, yes, we’ve always relied on volunteers for every aspect of our work. Is there a memorable story that you would like to share with us? It could be about an animal about a staff member or a volunteer. You know, there are so many individuals who really have contributed to the lifesaving work that we do, and it’s hard to single out an individual. But every day, no matter if it’s a gorgeous sunny day or if it’s pouring range, if it’s October 23rd or if it’s Christmas morning, volunteers and our staff are here to care for those animals. And when I come in and there’ve been so many days and it’s pouring out and my wipers are going crazy and I’m coming down the hill and I see our staff and volunteers walking dog outside day after day after day, if it’s 100 degrees or you know, five below zero, I just I’m so moved that the guard lis, those animals are cared for. And I’ll tell you that some of our snowstorms, where we’re gonna potentially lose power and have a two feet of snow. And we always worry about the animals and the staff number of our staff will come and say, Can I stay tonight? I would love to stay tonight, and we’ll have three or four staff members who will actually stay in our facility overnight to ensure that the animals are cared for. And I said, Come upstairs. There’s carpet on the floor will be warm. Maybe it’ll be WiFi. You could find one of the screens to enjoy the evening there. Down in the adoption pod is on their sleeping bags, generally with a dog adoption with Bill snuggling and giving them time out of their kennels does their passion, and their commitment is what moves me to pieces. That’s amazing. Yeah, I love to hear stories like that, especially about you know, the volunteers who are so passionate about what they do and all they wanted us. Help the animals, like you, said, they’re willing to sleep on the floor in sleeping bags, so that’s amazing. absolutely. We have an Alzheimer’s Cafe. It’s one of our newer programs that we’re really excited about. And individuals with memory loss and their caretakers come here and they spend time with the animals, and it always just amazes me that they’ll tell us that the individual with memory loss you may not remember their name, but we’ll start talking about a pet that they had when they were young, as their, you know, petting a kitten or one of the dogs from our care here. And they’re loving on an animal here, and they’re remembering the ones that they had when they’re young and the caretaker will say that story is spot on. Just furthering that human animal bond so important. Yeah, and that just goes to show how important animals are in our lives and how much of an impact they can make. So what does the future look like for your organization? I know you talked about some facility updates that you guys have, And do you have any like events that people should know about anything upcoming? Our biggest events coming up is our auction for the animals. It’s our 25th anniversary auction, and that’s coming up in November. I will say it’s already a sold-out event, which is unbelievable. Thio so very exciting. But there’s an online portion to it on bidding for good and that will, I think, go live next week. So people keep their eye out for that, and then we have some smaller events going on throughout the rest of the year. We have our Halloween-a-thon Going on Halloween weekend. We have our Black Friday event. So all kinds of things, three day adoption events that PetSmart charities so lots of things. And we have our events on our website again. So that’s www.nhspca.org to see what’s going on. And then in terms of the organization. As I mentioned, the capital campaign called the Campaign for Changing Times will begin construction, and as we go through that process and complete it, we will continue to expand our program. We’re really looking to help those in the community as well as those on site. So whether it’s our Food Share Program or our wellness clinics are training programs, we want to expand our youth programming for adults and teens as well as our younger Children. So lots of ways in which we want to continue to help animals. And right now we’re blessed to have just gotten a grant from PetSmart charities as well to expand our emergency housing. So currently we have been, for a number of years, Carrie for animals that are victims of domestic violence. But we’re expanding that to include housing and security and emergency medical. So glad to be able to help our community members in that way and ensure that people in the beloved pets can stay together. It sounds like you guys have a lot of great things coming up, and we’ll definitely be sure to look out for all of the events and facility updates and all of that that you guys have. Thank you so much. Yeah, So you mentioned your website. Is that the best way that people can get in touch with you? The website is a great way to gain information regarding all of our programs, and all of our service is you can certainly reach out to us through our website. You can also contact us directly through our phone, but it’s really not a very good way right now until we get our new phone system in the world. But if anyone is interested in being on our newsletter mailing list and learning about the programs and service is and getting updates on all the animals here, they’re certainly can do that, too, through our website. So I think that’s the best place, probably to direct people. Great. Well, is there anything else that you would like to share before we wrap things up today? I do. I have to say that the one thing we didn’t talk about is the community supporting this organization, not only through volunteer, but through their resources and this organization has supported directly through our community through donations. And we’re very grateful for that support. We couldn’t do the work that we do without it. And without those plan, gifts of people have had such foresight as to consider including the New Hampshire SPCA in their estate plan. We have one match going on right now, which is really exciting, and anyone who helps support the animals through a gift to the agency is really changing. The life for that animal provides support for both food and surgery. Every animal is medically cared for as well, a spayed-neutered before adoption. So we’re grateful for all donations, and we’re thankful for those that help to support those that we love so much here. Yeah, definitely. The community plays such an important part in helping the animals and making sure that everyone gets the supplies and the food and everything that they need. That’s such an amazing thing when someone donates or helps out absolutely well, Lisa, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it, and I had a great time talking with you. Thank you so much. It was really fun talking with you as well, and we’re grateful. So thank you for caring so much about the animals.
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