Animal Rescue of the Week: Episode 49 – Renegade Animal Welfare & Rescue

Renegade Animal Welfare & Rescue was founded in 2018 and has since helped over 600 animals find their way out of shelters in Central and Northern California and into no-kill rescues all over the western US and even Canada! They work directly with their partner rescues who are thoroughly vetted to provide the best homes possible for some of the neediest animals. They take in a large percentage of senior animals and animals with medical issues, such as mange or injuries requiring surgery. RAWR also started the first $5 shot clinic in their area, offering vaccines for dogs, cats, and microchips for only $5. Their goal is to continue to bring low-cost initiatives to their area to help low-income families to be good pet parents, as well as continuing to rescue the neediest of animals.


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The Renegade Animal Welfare and Rescue, RAWR for Short was founded in 2018 and has since helped over 600 animals find their way out of shelters in Central and Northern California and into no-kill rescues all over the Western US and even Canada. They work directly with partner rescues who are thoroughly vetted to provide the best home possible for some of the neediest animals. Their goal is to continue to bring low cost initiatives to their area to help low income families be good pet parents as well as continuing to rescue the animals needing the most help.

Hi, Eileen. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Kimberly. How are you doing today? I’m doing wonderful. Ready for the new year. Oh, yes. Lots of new stuff going on, and we’re in that big 2020 now. So that’s exciting. It sure is. Well, Eileen, I’m really intrigued by your organization, and I kind of wanna jump right into just get to kind of know you and your role over there at the Renegade Animal Welfare and Rescue in California. I appreciate your time, and I’m looking forward to sharing this with you as stated. I am Eileen Elrod. I’m the president of Renegade Animal Welfare and Rescue. The acronym for our organization is RAWR, and we are a newly founded rescue here in the Central Valley of California. We received our IRIS designation in November 2018. I am the President, the Vice President and Treasurer of the organization. Is there a rank? There happens to also be my daughter, and then we have an additional board members. We have Amy Rank as a Board Member at large, Emily Ewing as a Board Member at large, Clayton Garrett as a Board Member at large and Sofia Prado’s as Board Member at large. Again, we’re located in the Central Valley of California. We’re about an hour North of Fresno. Most times, people don’t know where Merced is located, but we’re based out of Merced, California. I think it’s awesome that parts of your family are associated with your rescue. And I love the acronym. I think that it fits perfectly with the animal welfare industry. So that’s awesome.

And, you know, I just wanna kind of point out for our listeners to kind of check out your website and kind of see what you guys are all about, because since you guys are so new, I mean November 2018. That wasn’t that long ago, but it seems like you guys were really upbeat. You guys are on track and you guys are pretty well known. I think that’s great. And I know that I have stopped when I came across your website. So that’s when I knew I had to reach out to you. Oh, well, I appreciate it. Yes, even though we were relatively new, Sarah, and I have been actively involved in animal rescue for several years now. Prior to our founding of Renegade, we actually worked with another organization, and we worked really closely with Emily Ewing with that organization. Emily is an animal rescue rock star. She is at UC Santa Barbara right now, so she’s working on a bachelor’s degree. So she’s just a Board Member at large for us right now. But she’s inspiring and have taught at the lawn. So yes, we’re busy. We’re constantly rocking and rolling. We are the renegades. We came up with this name from the song by the X Ambassadors called “Renegades”, and we like to focus on renegades as being a positive thing, not a negative thing. And more so that we like to kind of think outside of the box and try to solve these problems of animal rescue. And hopefully we’re hitting some of the marks here in the Central Valley. Yeah, definitely.

And I noticed from checking out your website and reading up on a little information about you guys you take in the senior pets and the animals with medical issues. Was that right? Yes, we do in fact, we don’t technically do adoptions out of our rescue, which is one of the things that makes us a little bit different from most animal rescue organizations. We feel like there are plenty of rescues here in the Central Valley that specify to adoptions and so we try to meet the need in a different area. And so we focus on ones that have medical needs and seniors. The medical needs, especially because what we do is we partner with rescues that do adoption. But taking an animal that is in medical need into our rescue allows us to get them to a place where they can be adopted to heal, whether that’s physically or behaviorally, a lot of times we bring in animals that may be scared at a shelter. And they need to be reintroduced into a family environment into a home where they get used to being around humans and other animals again so that they can then be adopted. We quite frequently, yes, pull the medical cases. So we have dogs quite frequently with mange, which is not a scary thing, but a lot of people are afraid of it, and one that have had broken legs, and tumor removed several things like that. So we also expanded this last year.

We don’t just focus on dogs, we focus on animals in general, and this last year we pulled in 15 guinea pigs from a shelter in Santa Fe. They had Guinea Pig Lice and for any of the listeners out there, don’t be afraid of that. It is species-specific. It does not transfer to humans or dogs or cats. It’s very easily fixed with a topical treatment. It does take about 6-8 weeks for that topical treatment to fully kill them. But when we found out that all 15 came from one home and they were at risk for euthanasia, simply because nobody had the space to just help them while they were healing. So my house was filled with 15 guinea pigs for a period of time, and we got them healed and they got adopted. And so that’s one of the different renegades, I guess. Oh, my goodness, that is so interesting. It’s just awesome because you don’t hear about that. You know, you don’t hear about somebody taking care of 15 guinea pigs. And honestly, I just learned something new because I didn’t think that guinea pigs could get lice, so. I had to learn that as well. So, like I said, we tried to think outside the box. When we heard about these guinea pigs and the situation that they were in, I did some really quick and dirty research on the Internet to find out about everything I could about guinea pig lice. It’s a really simple thing to treat, but you do have to keep them away from other guinea pigs, and it takes about 6 to 8 weeks to fully heal. But anyhow, but that was one of the initiatives that we did this year in. Like I said, we don’t focus just on dogs. We focus on cats, and guinea pigs and hamsters, rabbits–. And anything that really needs help, Right, exactly. I look at that 15 guinea pigs is a huge task. I mean, like you just said they can’t come in contact with other guinea pigs and stuff like that. It’s like, “well, what are you supposed to do when you have 15 of them?” You know? Where are these supposed to go? Exactly, and I don’t know if you’re familiar with guinea pigs and the noises that they make when they’re happy. But when you have 15 of them in your house, it’s certainly a deafening sound. Oh, yeah, I can imagine that’s funny, but I love that you guys were able to take them in and care for them, and now they’ve been adopted out.

So I kind of want to jump back just a little bit. You had mentioned guys don’t actually do the adoption process of the animals that you take in. Can you kind of share with me a little bit, kind of, give me some insight of how exactly that works? We have a rescue agreement, basically that we ask our partners to review and sign. And that rescue agreement ensures that the rescues that we’re working with mirror the same thoughts and procedures that we would do if we were doing adoptions. And that is that animals from any rescue that we work with, ensures that the animals are spayed and neutered, properly vaccinated, they’re microchipped before they move into an adoptive home. The homes are secured with people who can adopt a pet, sometimes people in apartment complex or that type of thing. You know, you might need to get some information from the manager saying that they can have a pet in their home. We also ask that animals are not used for breeding. They’re not used for obviously animal fighting. We’re very concerned about that. We ask that these rescues, if an animal needs to be returned for any reason that they take that animal back. So if you’re down the road, life changes, we don’t want that animal doesn’t end up at the animal shelter again. We want that to be something that is part of the principles of that organization. So we work with these vetted rescues and to ensure that they meet that criteria. They are a no-kill rescues. Animals are not euthanized for space. If an animal has to be euthanized, there’s a discussion about it, and we talk about at times, maybe is it more humane if an animal is sick or that type of thing. But they’re never euthanized for space.

So we have partners that we worked with in California. We have partners in Oregon. We are partners in Washington, and we expanded this year two partners in Canada. So we occasionally will fly animals to Nova Scotia to our partner rescue up there for adoption. Oh wow. So it sounds like you guys definitely do quite a bit of animal transporting as well. Yes, we do. We find that California is overrun with companion animals. Technically, the entire United States is overrun with cats, so we haven’t quite found a rescue partner that we can work with at this point, for cats. We have a couple that we’re researching, so we might be expanding to that this year, but definitely with small dogs. What we find is that the Northern States don’t have as many small dogs for one reason or another that we’re able to transport the smaller dogs up to them. California is overrun with Pit bulls and Chihuahuas. The quickest way to a kill list at a shelter is to be a tan male Chihuahua. And so we work on focusing, getting them pulled, and getting them neutered, and out, and getting adopted. So it’s just easier to get them if we transport them out of this area. You know, that’s pretty unique. I mean, you hear about organizations that do a lot of the animal transporting, and they work with other organizations. But what intrigues me the most about you guys is that that’s literally the base of how the animals that you take in get adopted. So it definitely seems like you guys have to work very closely with these partner rescues to ensure that the animal that you take in is meeting the same needs. And, like you said, the criterion, everything that meets your guys is standards per se. You guys have to have a stronger relationship in a stronger bond with these organizations than most. Correct. So I find that very unique, and I find it inspiring because usually you don’t hear about that. So I think that’s a great thing that you guys are doing.

And now future wise. I mean, are you guys thinking about possibly doing adoptions out of your guys’ area? Specifically like, I guess I didn’t ask you this either. Do you guys have a physical location? We do not. We’re foster based. Any animals that are in our care, are in a foster home, and eventually we would probably love to expand. We have discussed the possibility of expanding to do adoptions of senior Chihuahua’s. Seeing that Chihuahuas are near and dear to my heart, and we quite frequently see them into but the shelter, through no fault of their own in need of an adoptive home, where they can just live out the rest of their lives. These Chihuahuas quite often show up with dental issues, so we deal with that for the ones that we do have in our care at this time. But we find that the seniors are easy to fall in love with and easy to care for. They basically just want really good food and a really soft bed, and that’s about it. They’re very easy to care for. So at some point we may expand to that. But at this time all of us work full time employment along with our rescue. And so the rescue is also taking probably 40 hours a week, if not more, and it’s just in terms of bandwidth. We just can’t do adoptions that this time due to that, hopefully, once we get more volunteers, maybe we’ll be able to expand to that. But for right now, we don’t feel like we would be able to really provide the aftercare that is necessary for adopted animals. Absolutely. I definitely think that you know, you guys are still new, but you guys have that strong bond with these animals and you have that good heart and you guys have taken on, you know, a little bit more of a difficult task with the senior animals and the ones that have the medical issues, so you guys are doing awesome. But I really want kind of point out to our listeners really quickly, to encourage them to go and check out your website and read about you guys as the renegades because something that you had just said pointed out to me, and I actually had it in my notes, was that senior Chihuahuas are kind of your thing, Eileen, you kind of have an abundance of them with you. Is that right? From reading your information? I currently have five senior Chihuahuas who are under five pounds. In fact, yesterday we loaded up, and we went and got our annual rabies shots. And so yeah, senior Chihuahuas, they’re definitely my thing. I think that they have a bad rap. People tend to think of them as ankle biters, but a senior to Chihuahua typically, like I said, they just want a really good meal and a nice soft bed. Chihuahuas are fond of heating pads in their bed. But they’re easy to care for. And so for me, and like I said, the Central Valley is overrun with Chihuahuas. And so when I see them at the shelter, especially the senior ones it just tears up my heart. So, yeah, they’re my gig. Well, that’s good. And I want to point out too, I love reading about each of you. I think that that’s great that you guys add that into your website. So people of your community and people just around wherever they’re looking from can kind of get an idea and a feel for you guys. And what, your guys’ story is and your passions, so I love that. I definitely wanted to point that out.

So, Eileen, what are some of the programs that your organization offers to the community? This last year we started our inaugural shot clinic, it’s a low cost vaccination clinic that we started in the city of Merced. Parvo virus is rampant here in the Central Valley, and the care for puppy that ends up with Parvo virus can go anywhere from $1500 to $2000 to treat it. And even with that treatment, the survival of the animal is not necessarily guaranteed, so the shot, however, to vaccinate them against Parvo virus is relatively inexpensive. It can be done over the counter by pet owners. But we find that pet owners are uncomfortable administering shots to their pets. So we started a low cost clinic and we charge $5 a shot and we provide Parvo shots. We provide the FVRCP for cats and we provide $5 microchipping. The microchip is administered for $5 we then direct those pet owners to register their pet on the Michelson Foundation website, which has, that’s a free resource for pet owners to put their pets online with the Microchipping. So they started relatively quiet and we didn’t really advertise it very much. I think our first shot clinic, we did about 25 shots and microchips altogether. It has definitely expanded and kind of just blown out like we never anticipated it. We do it every three weeks. That allows us to help with the puppy series shots. Puppies should get three Parvo vaccinations, and their shot should be 3 to 4 weeks apart. So our goal was to make it so that those puppies could then come and get all three in the series, and it’s super exciting every single time a pet owner comes to our clinic and gets all three shots. When we see that puppy receive their third shot, that’s super exciting for us.

This year, in 2020 we are expanding that clinic to the neighboring city of Livingston. And so we will have Merced in the morning, and we will do Livingston in the afternoon. We hope to eventually expand even further than that. We find that many of the city’s in Merced County are really struggling with that. In fact, many of the cityies don’t have a vet office, even in the city. And so being able to help the animals is always our focus, but also the pet owners. And what we’re finding is the pet owners, if the shot clinic is there, they will come, and so it’s been really exciting. And that definitely helps out people. I’m in $5 for shots and $5 for Microchipping. I think that’s awesome because in my area I think the cheapest Microchipping is still like $20. So the fact that you guys were able to offer that, and you guys have the resource is to do that. I mean, that’s great. I think that’s a huge success for you guys, and I think it’s great for your community, too. We really see the owner’s coming out, which is super exciting. Since April, we have administered somewhere in the ballpark of 400 Parvo shots and 350 microchips, and that’s not even a full calendar year. So that’s been pretty exciting with our largest group of pet owners attend the shot clinic that we had the Saturday before Fourth of July, which was super exciting because, as we all know, fireworks make animals very frightened, and so they might escape. And our goal with the microchipping is to keep those animals out of the animal shelter, if it at all possible, and get them returned to their owners as soon as possible. The less animals that are at the shelter, means the less animals at risk for euthanasia there. Absolutely anything that’s a huge win for you guys, and the fact that you guys were able to do that for your community.

So that brings up my next question is, what is the community like in your area? I mean, do you have a lot of animal advocates or do you have a lot of animals that are being dumped? Kind of, share with us a little bit about your area, for those of us who aren’t around California. Well, the Central Valley of California, I know people tend to think of California as either the beaches or Hollywood. The Central Valley is neither of those things. It’s a very rural area, very agricultural-based. The county of Merced, itself houses somewhere around 270,000 people, and so it’s a large area. Like I said, it’s farm-based and so we just see animals dumped. We see what I hate are the backyard breeders. We call them the backyard breeders because they will breed their dogs and sell them for $20. To them $20 is his pocket money, I guess. But by the time it’s all said and done, that’s another dog that’s out there that can then reproduce, and that’s where the problems come in. So it’s a wide spread area and the challenges here is that the poverty level is really high. We see that I believe that the county is at 24% below the poverty level. I mean 24% of the people who live here, so you know that makes it hard for people. And like I said, it’s also a very spread out county. And a lot of the cities do not have vet clinics in the city. So then you’re looking at pet owners who would then need transportation to get to a vet, in order to get care for their animals. And in some cases, that’s just not possible.

For some of these pet owners anywhere between 30 and 45 minutes, one way to get to a vet. And so that’s a challenge for pet owners. Oh, definitely is. And no wonder that Parvo is a big thing going on down there, because if somebody has to drive 30 to 45 minutes to get a shot, some people just have that thought mentality that it’s just not worth it, you know. And unfortunately, that’s kind of not a great mindset to be in, because ultimately you’re not caring for your pet. But it definitely doesn’t help that you guys don’t have that local vet that allows a pet owner to bring their pet in. Yeah, and when you think about the fact that if you have to drive, even if it was 30 minutes, one way. So that’s an hour round trip that doesn’t include the time at the vet clinic, checking in and getting the shots and doing all of that. And the majority of the vet clinics are not open on the weekends. There is one in the neighboring town, in the neighboring county that is open on the weekends, but the majority of them are open Monday through Friday. So then you’re looking at having to take time off work. So in addition to the costs to drive there for gas and then the care itself, you’re also losing wages, most likely. Yeah. And so all of that combined makes the access to care really difficult for those pet owners. So we’re hoping, it eventually, like I said, that we can expand our shot clinics to neighboring communities so that we can at least get the Parvo virus kind of camped down here in the Central Valley. Absolutely. And I think that this all kind of ties in to the fact that you guys as an organization, you guys are providing that $5 shot clinic. You know, now that we get a little bit of background on your community and everything like that, like that’s a huge thing. But now that we kind of have that background and even makes it even more of a huge plus that you guys are able to do that. And it definitely seems like you guys have a lot of challenges over there between the poverty and the no local vet, and the dog breeding.

Would you say that as an organization, those are your biggest challenges? Or What’s something that you guys face as an organization? For us, I think more so than anything else, what we struggle with funding and partially because we’re researching grants out there. The majority of the grants that we’re seeing are for organizations that do adoptions, and so they want to see that happily ever after. And for us, there is a happily ever after, but it’s through one of our partners, not necessarily through us. So funding for our initiatives is where we really, really struggle. A lot of the time organizations are able to kind of recoup some of the costs that they have. If they have medical dogs that they bring in, or I should say medical animals, in general. So when they do that adoption and they have an adoption fee that they charge, they’re able to kind of recoup some of those costs. And for us, we don’t have an adoption fee, so we’re not able to recoup those costs. So that’s something that we battle with all the time. We just recently received a very small $250 grant, and that’s super exciting for us. Yes. You know, it doesn’t seem like a lot of money, but for us, we’re like, “Woo-hoo!” Well take that $250 and use that to help an animal. And we really want to focus our intention with the shot clinics. But we also want to focus on TNR.

The shelter here, the majority of the animals that are euthanized for space are cats. In the shelter itself, 82% of the animals that were euthanized in 2018 were cats, and so, unfortunately, I don’t know if you’re familiar with Best Friends. They have a dashboard and it provides some information and people can look on that website for information of their local community. California euthanized over 100,000 animals in 2018 and in all of the areas, cats are really the area that we see the highest euthanasia rate. So TNR, and spay and neuter resources for owners, needs to be nationwide. It needs to be something that we look at, but that’s what we’re focusing on. We just recently started a TNR campaign and people are not familiar with TNR, the trap, neuter, and return. So that’s where you have those cats that our community cats. So we bring out traps and we trapped them. We take him into our vet and they spay or neuter them. They tip their ears so that people know that they are fixed. And then, after an overnight stay, we return them to the location that they’re familiar with. And we recently started our campaign in one local area to help with one population, it was super exciting. And we’re hoping to continue to expand that we really are on board with the no-kill 2025 initiative that Best Friends is pushing. At this point in time, we would really love for our community to become no-kill 2025. And in order to do that we really need to focus on spay and neuter.

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And a lot of people don’t realize that that is such an easy thing to prevent. And there’s so many low cost, spay and neuter clinics out there. That kind of just makes you wonder like, “why isn’t this being done more”, you know, But it is a huge issue. Overpopulation is an issue just about anywhere. Some areas are worse than others, but just the fact that you can, kind of, bring those numbers to the table that about 82% of the euthanized pets were cats. That’s a large amount of cats that are being euthanized just either lack of space or whatever the case may be. Still, that’s a lot of cats, and people want to get mad at the shelters for euthanizing animals. But the reality is that they’re doing the community’s dirty work, really. The shelter employees do not want to euthanize animals. They’re all animal lovers, and typically they walk in the door loving animal, and it breaks their heart on a daily basis. So the community as a whole needs to get together and really focus on TNR. I agree with that 100%. And I feel like it’s such an easy thing to do. We just need to get some more people educated about it. And more people on board. And, you know, I love that you pointed out like the people that work at the shelters don’t go in going, “Hey, we’re gonna euthanize some animals today,” like that’s totally the opposite of what’s going on here, you know? So I love that you, you’re able to point that out. And I feel like a lot of people need to kind of open their mind and open their hearts to that, that it’s not because they don’t–they want them to live a happy life. But unfortunately, due to overpopulation, it is. It’s a bad thing, but lack of space is, unfortunately, important in some areas. So as much as we don’t like to hear about it, it does happen, and the community plays a huge role in that as well. So I think that’s great that you guys offer those.

So kind of to switch a little bit to something a little bit more happy. You seem like you’ve been around animals. Clearly, you have a ginormous heart, to take in so many animals on your own. I’m curious as to what your story is, Eileen? How did you get started in the animal welfare industry? Do you have any type of memorable story that you can share with us that gives us an insight to why it is you do what you do? Well, I was approaching my 50th birthday in 2015 and rather than having my family and friends purchase something for me, for my house or whatever, I don’t need things anymore. I quite often tell people that I don’t want anything that I need to death, so I have enough, so I don’t need anything else. So that year I asked everyone to donate, and as I mentioned, we worked with another organization, previously. That organization also did animal transport out of this area, and when I spoke to the president of that organization, I was told that a typical transport for them costs somewhere around $500. And so my goal that year was to raise $500 so that I could fund a transport for my birthday. And so we raised $600 that year, so I was able to fund the transport, and I went to the shelter the day that they were pulling animals from the shelter for that transport and helped load the animals. And I was instantly hooked. Just being able to do that small event and to help those animals, felt wonderful.

And so I started volunteering. And at first I said that I cannot foster. Fostering is really hard on the heart. But it also heals your heart, being able to take these animals and help them heal. Like I said, whether that’s physically or whether that’s emotionally, so that they learned that not all humans are bad. So at first I did not foster. But when I saw the need was there, I opened up my home. And at this point over the last four and 1/2 years, I’m somewhere in the ballpark of 1,000 animals that have been in my home. Oh, my goodness. I mean, that’s crazy, But that’s awesome. You know what? Especially the fact that you started out like “I’m not gonna foster.” And yeah, so 1,000 animals is crazy. You’re right. I pulled out all the carpet out of my house. I have tile floors now and I’ve learned a lot. This absolutely heals your heart and the feeling of being able to help these animals, there’s just nothing that you can replace that with. That makes this industry and everything like that. It makes it so worth it. That end factor where that animal is in a nice loving home. I love that you can foster like you said. Fostering is such a huge commitment and it is bigger than just “Hey, we’re bringing this animal home.” I mean, I know for me I have five pets as it is, and I can’t imagine fostering a pet and then somebody wanting to adopt it and go “well, no, wait a minute.” Right? People always ask how I do it and how I can let them go. But when they hear the sheer number of animals that I have fostered, obviously I love every single one of them and I can’t adopt 1,000 animals, right? So I love them all, and I help them heal. And then I wish them the best happily ever after.

With some of the animals that I fostered, I am able to continue to see the lives that they’re living in the forever homes that they’ve ended up with. One of my best friends from high school adopted one of my fosters. And so I get to see pictures of him on Facebook all the time being spoiled rotten as he deserved. And so it was definitely worth it. All of it is worth. It is hard. Like I said, I work full time. So in addition to full time employment, it is rescue is full time work. But I wouldn’t change it. I would say please don’t cause I love everything that you’ve shared with us today. And I feel like you guys do have that genuine heart. And, you know, you guys are able to give it your all even though you all have your own jobs that keep you busy. You guys still push that extra effort and you guys make sure that you guys are doing everything you can for these animals. So we thank you for that. And I love that you guys are able to do that, especially within the community that you guys are living in, and the struggles that you guys are facing. Well thank you.

So they if somebody were to want to get in touch with your organization, whether it be to foster or anything of that matter, how can one go about getting in contact with you guys? So the easiest way to find us and to reach out to us is via Facebook. We do have a Facebook page, is renegadeawr. And all of our social media has that same tag with renegadeawr. We’re on Instagram and we have Facebook, and then our website is with the same name. And so we have to fight with Facebook to get renegadeawr. But we got it. And I love that. Like I mentioned at the beginning of our conversation, I feel like you’re guys’ acronym and everything that goes along with it. It’s just perfect. It’s very animal intriguing. That Sara and I on the phone, both of us, in our car, talking the about, and we came up with RAWR. Yes, and I love it. I think it’s so unique. I generally love it.

So I know I’ve kept you this long. Is there anything else that you would like to share before we wrap things up today? No, I would just encourage all of your listeners if they’re not in California. Animal rescue is nationwide. And so, if you’re interested in helping animals, look in your area, reach out to your animal shelters to see if they need volunteers themselves, and I’m sure that there are rescues in your area, even if you don’t realize it. But reach out there, find those animals, do some TNR. Once you get started, you’ll get hooked. I promise. Absolutely I can guarantee you, I can contest to that. I never had worked in the animal welfare industry, and now I’ve been in it for almost a year now, and I absolutely love it. And I learned so much. And I’ve learned that there’s so many ways that you can help animal rescues and shelters and anything, and they need so much help and just the little things can totally make a difference. So that’s why I love doing what I’m doing. I love being able to talk with everybody from different organizations, so thank you so much for joining me today, Eileen. I’ve learned so much, and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for RAWR. Thank you Kimberly, I appreciate your time.

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